(November 7, 2013 at 8:38 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: If I threw him in a fire how would he have offspring.

Presumably prior to the burning.

The statement was a child.

GC Wrote:The punishment I would set for my son would be given to him if he disobeyed, of coarse I would not throw him in a fire. Your trying to compare a finite situation to an infinite one.

Quote:When you put it like that, perpetual torment is practically a kindness.

What?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm still saying you do not know the difference between the two.

Quote:That's clearly not true. A church is a christian temple. If you're planning on referring to ecclesiastical authority/body of believers then you're just playing semantics.

Ah, here we go with semantics again, the original meaning of church is a body of Christian believers. They had no buildings at first, you need to study scripture.

GC

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(November 7, 2013 at 9:09 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: Ain't going to happen.

GC

And with that we are right back to my original premise.

(November 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So god doesn't care what people want, only what he wants.

I guess since you have a low ability to understand simple things.

GC

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: If I threw him in a fire how would he have offspring. The punishment I would set for my son would be given to him if he disobeyed, of coarse I would not throw him in a fire. Your trying to compare a finite situation to an infinite one.

Why is it righteous for God to do it and not you?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm still saying you do not know the difference between the two.

A temple is the house of God, a church is the house of God. Does God's houses have different rules?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're surely not that naive, do you ever watch the news, check the net it's all over the place.

You should have no problem citing multiple sources, then.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: How am I going against God's word? I do not understand what you are referring to.

Your condemning slavery while God condones it.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why wasn't I given a positive choice, that's not better than the rapist asking the woman in what manner do you want to be raped, no positive choice. You know God gave me the same choices He has given you, I chose the positive one and am happy with it.

What's positive about being a slave to a deity that will throw your body into a fire if you don't give it complete control of your life?

(November 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say everyone in heaven would have equal reward nor did I say everyone in hell will have the same punishment, the scriptures tell us this. No one can Get into heaven by being good, God says no man is good not one, only through your acceptance of Christ and His righteousness can you get into heaven. This is exactly what I said in my last post to you, only a little more detailed.

Then there is only one act that actually matters in this life? Aside from our acceptance or rejection of Christ, everything else has no effect on our fates in god's eyes?

(November 7, 2013 at 11:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: The statement was a child.

My bad. I took it to mean progeny rather than a literal child

GC Wrote:

Quote:When you put it like that, perpetual torment is practically a kindness.

What?

If you wouldn't throw your child on fire, why would you burn them for all eternity?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote:

Quote:That's clearly not true. A church is a christian temple. If you're planning on referring to ecclesiastical authority/body of believers then you're just playing semantics.

Ah, here we go with semantics again, the original meaning of church is a body of Christian believers. They had no buildings at first, you need to study scripture.

Close, but no cigar. The word you're thinking of is "ecclesia" stemming from the greek word "ekklesia", which refers to an assembly or congregation. Church is derived from "kuriakos" and a rough translation of which is "belonging to the lord". The word was applied to christian temples. It's an easy mistake to make though, most modern bibles incorrectly translate "ekklesia" as "church", because the words have become conflated over time.

Tori's answer was perfectly acceptable. You're the one that's playing semantics. And you lost.

(November 7, 2013 at 11:32 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 9:09 pm)Brakeman Wrote: And with that we are right back to my original premise.

I guess since you have a low ability to understand simple things.

GC

You're not a "simple thing", you're just easily confused and brainwashed. Don't quit trying!

Biblical free will: You can either refuse me and I'll slit your throat, or open your legs, willingly accept my love and let me save you from having your throat slit.

P3K

(November 8, 2013 at 7:19 am)Tonus Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say everyone in heaven would have equal reward nor did I say everyone in hell will have the same punishment, the scriptures tell us this. No one can Get into heaven by being good, God says no man is good not one, only through your acceptance of Christ and His righteousness can you get into heaven. This is exactly what I said in my last post to you, only a little more detailed.

Then there is only one act that actually matters in this life? Aside from our acceptance or rejection of Christ, everything else has no effect on our fates in god's eyes?

In a sense that's true, but there are many things that go along with your statement.

GC

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(November 8, 2013 at 6:50 am)ToriJ Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: If I threw him in a fire how would he have offspring. The punishment I would set for my son would be given to him if he disobeyed, of coarse I would not throw him in a fire. Your trying to compare a finite situation to an infinite one.

Why is it righteous for God to do it and not you?

Because God is the creator of the universe, but more than that He is perfectly righteous and only the righteous through Christ will be in heaven and those who reject the righteous gift of salvation must be punished, justice demands it.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm still saying you do not know the difference between the two.

Quote:A temple is the house of God, a church is the house of God. Does God's houses have different rules?

The only reason today's church building is called the house of God is because man tagged the building with that name. The Temple was built as a place for God on earth, the church is a body of believers who worship Jesus Christ, this is the true church, it came before any buildings called churches.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're surely not that naive, do you ever watch the news, check the net it's all over the place.

Quote:You should have no problem citing multiple sources, then.

I did, if you're not willing to go to them it's not my fault, I'm not your research assistant. Do you actually think I would lie about such a horrible thing, have you seen anyone else question what I said.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: How am I going against God's word? I do not understand what you are referring to.

Quote:Your condemning slavery while God condones it.

God allowed man to form such a society, He does not condone slavery.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why wasn't I given a positive choice, that's not better than the rapist asking the woman in what manner do you want to be raped, no positive choice. You know God gave me the same choices He has given you, I chose the positive one and am happy with it.

Quote:What's positive about being a slave to a deity that will throw your body into a fire if you don't give it complete control of your life?

How about an eternity in a paradise beyond anything one can imagine. You are the one that makes the choice, God doesn't make it for you. Actually God is giving what you want, you choose to live your own paradise here on earth, I choose to live in the eternal paradise.

GC

(November 8, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because God is the creator of the universe, but more than that He is perfectly righteous and only the righteous through Christ will be in heaven and those who reject the righteous gift of salvation must be punished, justice demands it.

Funny, it was once lawful for parents to kill their children for disobedience going back to the fifth commandment about honoring your father and mother. What's changed?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: The only reason today's church building is called the house of God is because man tagged the building with that name. The Temple was built as a place for God on earth, the church is a body of believers who worship Jesus Christ, this is the true church, it came before any buildings called churches.

A moot point since it says in the bible God and Jesus are the same person.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did, if you're not willing to go to them it's not my fault, I'm not your research assistant. Do you actually think I would lie about such a horrible thing, have you seen anyone else question what I said.

No you didn't. I looked back through this thread and saw no sources and I'm not questioning the human trafficking, I'm questioning the claim that it's atheists as it'd be hard to know the personal beliefs of the people involved and/or if their motives have anything to do with atheism.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: God allowed man to form such a society, He does not condone slavery.

God allowed a society that condones slavery? That's some serious neglect there.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: How about an eternity in a paradise beyond anything one can imagine. You are the one that makes the choice, God doesn't make it for you. Actually God is giving what you want, you choose to live your own paradise here on earth, I choose to live in the eternal paradise.

Interesting how you didn't refute my slave comment here.

(November 5, 2013 at 6:33 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 27, 2013 at 1:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: but as you may know, Christ spend an eternity in hell for each person so they could avoid it.

That doesn't make sense. If he spent an eternity in hell, then he is there now and he always will be. He cannot have spent an eternity for each person, since an eternity is basically forever.

The Bible tells us he was dead for three days and a half. That's not an eternity. And for an eternal being, that amount of time is not even the blink of an eye. And it's remarkably unfair for that same being to condemn others to an eternity of punishment.

the ministry of the 3'rd Person of the Godhead (Holy Spirit) is to bring to each person the truth pertaining to the Christ's work on the cross which took place prior to the 3 1/2 days burial. When a person receive this information they do know it's the truth. Those that reject the truth (but again they know it's the truth), when they die they have committed the 'unpardonable sin'. These individuals know what they are doing and have consciously elected to not accept His work and determine they rather have eternal separation from God.
We all, yes all, have to stand before the 2'nd person of the Godhead personally (this is another indication God has an access to infinite time dim's), and this will be the paramount issue. Therefore the plea goes out to 'whosoever wills'.

(November 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the ministry of the 3'rd Person of the Godhead (Holy Spirit) is to bring to each person the truth pertaining to the Christ's work on the cross which took place prior to the 3 1/2 days burial. When a person receive this information they do know it's the truth. Those that reject the truth (but again they know it's the truth), when they die they have committed the 'unpardonable sin'. These individuals know what they are doing and have consciously elected to not accept His work and determine they rather have eternal separation from God.
We all, yes all, have to stand before the 2'nd person of the Godhead personally (this is another indication God has an access to infinite time dim's), and this will be the paramount issue. Therefore the plea goes out to 'whosoever wills'.

Really? I'm Christian and I reject all forms of sacrifice, human and animal.
I'll pay for my own sins, thanks though...