Quote:But adultery is a crime and the lashings are just.

Adultery is a crime because you backwards barbarians and your despicable creed consider it a "crime."

No it is indeed a crime because it's completely abandoning the rules of the marriage that the individual agreed to.

(November 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm)Sleepy Wrote: How are we here? Is there really a moral standard? Do we come from nothingness and go back to nothingness?

We come from sperm cells and egg cells. Then we die and our bodies decay in coffins, while some of us are cremated.

As for the origins of the universe, there are competing theories, each with its good share of support: Panspermia, Clay Theory and Abiogenesis.

That said, I have two questions for you:

1) Theists claim that a supernatural entity (in your case, Allah) created the universe. But the problem lies here: creation can only occur at a point in time. For example, if I made pumpkin waffles at 9:00 in the morning, the batter and waffles did not exist prior to 9:00 in the morning. Time does not exist outside of the universe. So how could a supernatural entity have created the universe if time cannot exist outside of it?

2) Muslims claim that we all must follow Allah. Well, if I have to find Allah, does that mean he's hiding? I ask the same question about Jesus.

Faith is dishonest and illogical. It is simply irrational to think you know something that you don't. God (s) relie (s) on texts written by fallible human beings to communicate with adherents. Ce est fou (French for "that is crazy").

But great Dragonball profile picture. Vegeta kicks ass!

How do you know time does not exist outside of the universe? That's impossible for you to know. The only Being outside of time is Allah. Other than Him everything is in time. When he created the universe he did in the measurement of six days( periods of time) so your question is baseless


Islam doesn't say you HAVE to. There is no forced conversion in Islam

Sura Kafirun( The disbelievers )109:1
Say, "O disbelievers,

109:2
I do not worship what you worship.

109:3
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.

109:4
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.

109:5
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.

109:6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."


So beautiful....Islam the religion of tolerance

(November 19, 2013 at 3:47 pm)Sleepy Wrote: So beautiful....Islam the religion of tolerance

Troll Alert!!!

(November 19, 2013 at 3:29 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote:

(November 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm)Sleepy Wrote: How are we here? Is there really a moral standard? Do we come from nothingness and go back to nothingness?

We come from sperm cells and egg cells. Then we die and our bodies decay in coffins, while some of us are cremated.

As for the origins of the universe, there are competing theories, each with its good share of support: Panspermia, Clay Theory and Abiogenesis.

That said, I have two questions for you:

1) Theists claim that a supernatural entity (in your case, Allah) created the universe. But the problem lies here: creation can only occur at a point in time. For example, if I made pumpkin waffles at 9:00 in the morning, the batter and waffles did not exist prior to 9:00 in the morning. Time does not exist outside of the universe. So how could a supernatural entity have created the universe if time cannot exist outside of it?

2) Muslims claim that we all must follow Allah. Well, if I have to find Allah, does that mean he's hiding? I ask the same question about Jesus.

Faith is dishonest and illogical. It is simply irrational to think you know something that you don't. God (s) relie (s) on texts written by fallible human beings to communicate with adherents. Ce est fou (French for "that is crazy").

But great Dragonball profile picture. Vegeta kicks ass!

Another thing believers of all religions never want to ask themselves is the following.

Which seems more likely a a probability.

1. A god(any god) exists.

or

2. Humans make up gods.


If a believer wont accept the same argument they make for their god from a person with another god, they need to think about WHY they reject all other gods besides theirs. The only difference between the atheist and a believer is that we reject one more god claim than they do.

(November 19, 2013 at 4:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The only difference between the atheist and a believer is that we reject one more god claim than they do.

Correct. When I explained this to a Christian friend he said, "I had never thought of it that way." The bell went off so loudly in his head that even I could hear it.

(November 19, 2013 at 3:47 pm)Sleepy Wrote: How do you know time does not exist outside of the universe? That's impossible for you to know.

You are 100% correct.
It is impossible to know.

(November 19, 2013 at 3:47 pm)Sleepy Wrote: The only Being outside of time is Allah. Other than Him everything is in time.

How do you know Allah is the only being outside of time? That's impossible for you to know.

(November 19, 2013 at 4:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(November 19, 2013 at 4:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The only difference between the atheist and a believer is that we reject one more god claim than they do.

Correct. When I explained this to a Christian friend he said, "I had never thought of it that way." The bell went off so loudly in his head that even I could hear it.

Is that "House" from the Fox show in your avatar? If so you and I are headed for prison for copyright violations.

Our problem is that we don't worship the almighty collection plate, corporate or religious.

(November 19, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 19, 2013 at 4:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Correct. When I explained this to a Christian friend he said, "I had never thought of it that way." The bell went off so loudly in his head that even I could hear it.

Is that "House" from the Fox show in your avatar? If so you and I are headed for prison for copyright violations.

Nope. It's my look and Hugh Laurie stole it. If anything, I should sue him.