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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 6:39 pm
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(November 18, 2013 at 10:28 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: An oscillating universe, spontaneous generation from pre-existent quantum 'foam', a 4-dimensional block of space-time, another universe that we spawned from via black holes. There are so many possibilities that to say that it's obvious that God had to do it is just the want of an easy, intellectually un-taxing answer. That's' the science part. Now let 's talk about the similarities between quantum foam and Thomistic 'primal matter' and the formal cause to which it is subject.
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm
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People die for lies that they do not know are lies
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all the time like the terrorists who flew those planes into the buildings they believed in a lie. But they had no good reasons to believe in it.
And that post was for the original one where someone asked about the disciples.
(November 21, 2013 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (November 21, 2013 at 5:48 pm)super spidey man Wrote: When Jesus died and was resurrected he had witnesses and that's big deal that they all died horrible deaths knowing they were going to for Jesus. People don't just simply die for a lie. Those people are talking about the same thing and about god not just for their own reasons. not about themselves. And all this is justified by the death of Christ and coming back from the dead! and death of Jesus was prophesied hundreds of years before. Yes they would... many people die for a lie... nothing new there...
Remember y2k?
Now, did those witnesses really die for that particular lie?
Did they really witness that event?
Or did someone just write it that way, for added dramatic effect?
Did that event occur at all?
what do you think, thousands of people witnessed this! And when collecting the writings of all the witnesses they take what was the same of the writings not what one person went out on a branch a said there own story.And why would they die for something they weren't sure of ? doesn't make sense.
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 6:51 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: what do you think, thousands of people witnessed this! And when collecting the writings of all the witnesses they take what was the same of the writings not what one person went out on a branch a said there own story.And why would they die for something they weren't sure of ? doesn't make sense.
Funnily enough, none of those thousands of witnesses ever wrote about it at all; the only written evidence you have for this is the bible: a couple of guys saying there were thousands of people. Anyone can do that.
And, again, you're working under the assumption that any of this happened at all, which is also unjustifiable...  It could be that they died for something else, and then that was spun as an example of their faith later. You know, like what happens with biblical prophecies.
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 6:54 pm
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(November 21, 2013 at 6:51 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: what do you think, thousands of people witnessed this! And when collecting the writings of all the witnesses they take what was the same of the writings not what one person went out on a branch a said there own story.And why would they die for something they weren't sure of ? doesn't make sense.
Funnily enough, none of those thousands of witnesses ever wrote about it at all; the only written evidence you have for this is the bible: a couple of guys saying there were thousands of people. Anyone can do that.
And, again, you're working under the assumption that any of this happened at all, which is also unjustifiable... It could be that they died for something else, and then that was spun as an example of their faith later. You know, like what happens with biblical prophecies.
Understand that it wasn't written by only one person but by everyone who witnessed it.
(November 21, 2013 at 6:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (November 18, 2013 at 10:28 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: An oscillating universe, spontaneous generation from pre-existent quantum 'foam', a 4-dimensional block of space-time, another universe that we spawned from via black holes. There are so many possibilities that to say that it's obvious that God had to do it is just the want of an easy, intellectually un-taxing answer. That's' the science part. Now let 's talk about the similarities between quantum foam and Thomistic 'primal matter' and the formal cause to which it is subject.
haha ok and where did it all come from?
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: (November 21, 2013 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Yes they would... many people die for a lie... nothing new there...
Remember y2k?
Now, did those witnesses really die for that particular lie?
Did they really witness that event?
Or did someone just write it that way, for added dramatic effect?
Did that event occur at all?
what do you think, thousands of people witnessed this! Oh, it's thousands of people, now?
Nice....
(November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: And when collecting the writings of all the witnesses they take what was the same of the writings not what one person went out on a branch a said there own story.And why would they die for something they weren't sure of ? doesn't make sense.
Why would those 9/11 idiots die for something they weren't sure of?
Why would those millennium idiots die for something they weren't sure of?
Tons of people die for idiot things they thing are true, but they're not sure of.... like you.
Would you die for Jesus? (whatever that means!)
Are you 100% sure about the guy?
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Maybe because they were idiots.
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 7:02 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 6:51 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: what do you think, thousands of people witnessed this! And when collecting the writings of all the witnesses they take what was the same of the writings not what one person went out on a branch a said there own story.And why would they die for something they weren't sure of ? doesn't make sense.
Funnily enough, none of those thousands of witnesses ever wrote about it at all; the only written evidence you have for this is the bible: a couple of guys saying there were thousands of people. Anyone can do that.
And, again, you're working under the assumption that any of this happened at all, which is also unjustifiable... It could be that they died for something else, and then that was spun as an example of their faith later. You know, like what happens with biblical prophecies.
oh and the reason they died was because they claimed Jesus was god and raised from the dead. and people witnessing won't miss that.
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 7:03 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Maybe because they were idiots.
BINGO!
Extrapolate...
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 7:09 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: what do you think, thousands of people witnessed this! Oh, it's thousands of people, now?
Nice....
(November 21, 2013 at 6:40 pm)super spidey man Wrote: And when collecting the writings of all the witnesses they take what was the same of the writings not what one person went out on a branch a said there own story.And why would they die for something they weren't sure of ? doesn't make sense.
Why would those 9/11 idiots die for something they weren't sure of?
Why would those millennium idiots die for something they weren't sure of?
Tons of people die for idiot things they thing are true, but they're not sure of.... like you.
Would you die for Jesus? (whatever that means!)
Are you 100% sure about the guy?
yes, yes I would die for him
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RE: The Universe and Big Bang
November 21, 2013 at 7:12 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 7:09 pm)super spidey man Wrote: (November 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh, it's thousands of people, now?
Nice....
Why would those 9/11 idiots die for something they weren't sure of?
Why would those millennium idiots die for something they weren't sure of?
Tons of people die for idiot things they thing are true, but they're not sure of.... like you.
Would you die for Jesus? (whatever that means!)
Are you 100% sure about the guy?
yes, yes I would die for him Well, there you go...
You cannot be sure about anything concerning this guy.... and yet, you'd die for that...
The very same idiocy patent in the 9/11 idiots and the millennium idiots and any other idiot who'd die for a belief in some sort of after-life.
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