(December 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm)Sleepy Wrote: If he was married while committing the rape and his wife was readily available to him for sexual intercourse than many top scholars believe to first give him 100 lashings and then execute him

Two questions:
A) What does the bit in bold there mean, exactly?
B) What if it was his wife he had raped?

(December 6, 2013 at 7:11 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: A) What does the bit in bold there mean, exactly?

I think it means that Sleepy's priorities place infidelity above sexual assault in terms of importance.

Why else would he even bother putting that in? Oh, unless this is one of those "forced to marry your rapist" deals, if the rapist was unmarried.

(December 6, 2013 at 7:21 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(December 6, 2013 at 7:11 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: A) What does the bit in bold there mean, exactly?

I think it means that Sleepy's priorities place infidelity above sexual assault in terms of importance.

Why else would he even bother putting that in? Oh, unless this is one of those "forced to marry your rapist" deals, if the rapist was unmarried.

I got that. But what is "readily available"? Is it like, right there in the room naked, with her legs in the air? Lol

(December 6, 2013 at 7:25 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I got that. But what is "readily available"? As in like, right there in the room naked, with her legs in the air?

The scary part is, I think "readily available," in the Islamic sense, just means "existing."

(December 6, 2013 at 7:26 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(December 6, 2013 at 7:25 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I got that. But what is "readily available"? As in like, right there in the room naked, with her legs in the air?

The scary part is, I think "readily available," in the Islamic sense, just means "existing."

That's kinda my fear, too. Or just "not on her period" or something. But that can't be right, can it? Dopey Sleepy has made it clear that Islam doesn't sexually objectify women.

(December 6, 2013 at 7:32 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: That's kinda my fear, too. Or just "not on her period" or something. But that can't be right, can it? Dopey Sleepy has made it clear that Islam doesn't sexually objectify women.

Which brings us around to the usual "it's not X if Allah/God/other says it" doublethink. Or maybe, if he's feeling really fresh, Sleepy will hit is with the rare "No True Muslim" fallacy!

All it'll come down to is that, except in the cases in which Islam does sexually objectify women, it doesn't sexually objectify women.

Let's just wait for his response before jumping on things that haven't been said here.... yet. Lol

Readily available means if she's not sick, incapicitated. It means exactly what it says. They're able to have sex if they want

(December 6, 2013 at 10:38 am)Sleepy Wrote: Readily available means if she's not sick, incapicitated. It means exactly what it says. They're able to have sex if they want

Good. That's what I hoped. :)

Now, what happens to a man who rapes his wife?

It's a sin and not permissible for a wife to refuse her husband for sex and not permissible for a husband to refuse sex to his wife either.

It's part of the marital contact. Is it unethical and a sin if he forces himself upon her and harms her. But there is no legal punishment.

The key is to remember sex is to be exclusive between husband and wife and wife or husband denying each other sex is an illogical concept unless one is injured, hurt, or some other serious problem