Zionism is a movement that recognizes the Jewish right to self-determination & the historic secular links the Jews have to their homeland. So answer this anti-Zionists; why do you hate the Jews?

(December 7, 2013 at 4:54 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Zionism is a movement that recognizes the Jewish right to self-determination & the historic secular links the Jews have to their homeland. So answer this anti-Zionists; why do you hate the Jews?

Huh? What gives you the impression that I hate Jews? I think the religion is bullshit, just like any other religion, but I hardy hate the people.

(December 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 4:54 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Zionism is a movement that recognizes the Jewish right to self-determination & the historic secular links the Jews have to their homeland. So answer this anti-Zionists; why do you hate the Jews?

Huh? What gives you the impression that I hate Jews? I think the religion is bullshit, just like any other religion, but I hardy hate the people.

The Jews are a people united by more than just religion. Many Israelis are atheists, and Israel is a secular country.

(December 7, 2013 at 5:10 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Huh? What gives you the impression that I hate Jews? I think the religion is bullshit, just like any other religion, but I hardy hate the people.

The Jews are a people united by more than just religion. Many Israelis are atheists, and Israel is a secular country.

Which is why I said the religion is bullshit, but not the people. I understand the difference between the two. Still don't understand what makes you think we hate the Jewish people.

I don't care what Israel does, but it's not up to us to help them do it.

If Zionism is about their self-determination, let's let them self-determine.

(December 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I don't care what Israel does, but it's not up to us to help them do it.

If Zionism is about their self-determination, let's let them self-determine.

But we should support whatever they chose to do with their self-determination.

(December 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I don't care what Israel does, but it's not up to us to help them do it.

If Zionism is about their self-determination, let's let them self-determine.

But we should support whatever they chose to do with their self-determination.

Why do we have to support them? Saying they can do whatever they want isn't good enough?

(December 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I don't care what Israel does, but it's not up to us to help them do it.

If Zionism is about their self-determination, let's let them self-determine.

But we should support whatever they chose to do with their self-determination.

Some of the things they want to do with their self-determination could have disastrous consequences for the world.

Quote:Zionism is a movement that recognizes the Jewish right to self-determination & the historic secular links the Jews have to their homeland.

Bollocks. The "Jews" lost any right to Palestine when the Romans evicted them in the aftermath of the bar Kochba revolt. Please don't give me this happy horseshit about fucking "god" giving them the land. If ole yhwh gave a flying fuck (or if he existed) he would have stopped the Romans from evicting them instead of having to rely on the fucking UN to steal Arab land.

(December 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Zionism is a movement that recognizes the Jewish right to self-determination & the historic secular links the Jews have to their homeland.

Bollocks. The "Jews" lost any right to Palestine when the Romans evicted them in the aftermath of the bar Kochba revolt. Please don't give me this happy horseshit about fucking "god" giving them the land. If ole yhwh gave a flying fuck (or if he existed) he would have stopped the Romans from evicting them instead of having to rely on the fucking UN to steal Arab land.

I'm an atheist, so I'm not going to tell you about god giving them their land, but I will tell you about the various secular reasons that it is their land. First, someone forcibly evicting you from your land does not give them the right to it. Second; how dare you deny a people who have suffered genocide the right to have a homeland where they can be safe! Third, the Arabs are totally primitive racist savages & land thieves, you cannot steal from a thief.