(December 7, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: See these threads:

That's nothing, check out these threads:

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When a Shepherd sheers the wool, he washes it white as snow. He then weaves a robe. That robe is the new body we are promised here.

Revelation 6

11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

Thread is a good metaphor to use. Thank you.

(December 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm)daandaan Wrote: eternity is a place that has to be created as well ...becouse if it wasnt created ..no one can be eternal becouse of is nonexistance

no, eternity doesn't have to be a place nor was it ever considered a place. it's always been considered a state of existence. now, i'll expect you'll say something along the lines of "but God has to exist someplace" but he really doesn't. consider this, can you tell me where space exists? no? but we know space exists since so it must exist someplace right? since space doesn't need a place to exist it is therefore not necessary for everything to exist someplace.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm)daandaan Wrote: eternity is a place that has to be created as well ...becouse if it wasnt created ..no one can be eternal becouse of is nonexistance

no, eternity doesn't have to be a place nor was it ever considered a place. it's always been considered a state of existence. now, i'll expect you'll say something along the lines of "but God has to exist someplace" but he really doesn't. consider this, can you tell me where space exists? no? but we know space exists since so it must exist someplace right? since space doesn't need a place to exist it is therefore not necessary for everything to exist someplace.

Or maybe it does... exist... somewhere... in a high dimensionality space, confined to a 3D+1 "sheet of paper"...
Philosophizing is fun!

(December 7, 2013 at 9:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Or maybe it does... exist... somewhere... in a high dimensionality space, confined to a 3D+1 "sheet of paper"...
Philosophizing is fun!

I fail to see the point of this statement since it doesn't disprove my post.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Rational AKD Wrote: no, eternity doesn't have to be a place nor was it ever considered a place. it's always been considered a state of existence. now, i'll expect you'll say something along the lines of "but God has to exist someplace" but he really doesn't. consider this, can you tell me where space exists? no? but we know space exists since so it must exist someplace right? since space doesn't need a place to exist it is therefore not necessary for everything to exist someplace.

Or maybe it does... exist... somewhere... in a high dimensionality space, confined to a 3D+1 "sheet of paper"...
Philosophizing is fun!

Most people miss this entirely. Genesis 1 is a creation of Elohim with no restrictions to the fruit. Mankind was BOTH male and female. Genesis 2 is a creation of the LORD (Son of God) as the Ark for the pairs of beasts (Male AND female). The divisions do not end there. There were both clean and unclean. The tree of knowledge was restricted. The flood is baptism, or involution.

With that said, why are we here in animal skins?

Word Mother in Hebrew is Aleph Mem.



Genesis 3

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

The flood was a mechanism for God's long-suffering with us. We lost our position in paradise and engaged into the IMAGE of Heaven. Read Genesis 1:27:

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Both male and female. AND, we are INSIDE an image, and THE image of God. Here is the important part. Don't lose concentration. Think on this Matrix idea of an image, or the residual self-image. The movie is a good metaphor and the makers of the movie know the story well. Here is the main point of eternity.

Look in a mirror. Do you see you, or your image? What casts that image? You know the 2D image in the mirror is not you, yet you know you are the one casting said image. Think higher dimensionally. You are not this image either. This is merely a frame of time (Shadow of 4D). Where are you?

Matthew 18 (Parable of the wandering Sheep (Beast in Water).

10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Above, you are the Angel. Below, you are the Child of God entangled in the image of creation. Now, return to eternity and where and when it is. When you play a DVD, is the timeline on the DVD the same as yours as the observer (Watcher)? No. It can be played over and over. Until you ride the wave to the end (TAV), you are in the water (Flood).

Read This

Eternity has existed since the beginning (Genesis 1). This is the first seven days. Genesis 2 is after the fall, or the response to the fall. God is carrying the Sheep through the wilderness. All of these stories are parables for where we really are and why we are here. Eternity is where we go when we cross through the gate with the Shepherd.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm)daandaan Wrote: eternity is a place that has to be created as well ...becouse if it wasnt created ..no one can be eternal becouse of is nonexistance

no, eternity doesn't have to be a place nor was it ever considered a place. it's always been considered a state of existence. now, i'll expect you'll say something along the lines of "but God has to exist someplace" but he really doesn't. consider this, can you tell me where space exists? no? but we know space exists since so it must exist someplace right? since space doesn't need a place to exist it is therefore not necessary for everything to exist someplace.

as everything that is to difficult to understand for the religious has to
be created , a state of existance, has to be created as well becouse if it wasnt it wouldnt be there...

WHO CREATED THE DARNESS (gen 1.2) THAT WAS THERE BEFORE UR GOD CREATED THE LIGHT IN GEN 1.3

FOR DARKNESS TO BE THERE, THERE HAD TO BE ``SOMETHING`` BEFORE, BECOUSE`` NOTHING`` DOESNT EVEN ALLOW DARKNESS TO EXIST ..

SO WHO CREATED THAT ``SOMETHING`` OUT OF ``NOTHING`` ALLOWING GOD TO CREATE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH (GEN 1.1) IN THAT ``SOMETHING`` IN THE DARKNESS??

so who created that alledged state of existance where u can hide ur nonexisting god ??

I wonder if these folks get points back with their congregation or temple or mosque for doing their work to battle the unbelievers up here. The truth behind this gobbly goop is that he doesn't care about argument -- he is doing his higher calling by using his weapon ' scripture ' not to convert but to wage war and show these non believers how silly they are to his kin. They respond in a silly way and he is only encouraged. He goes home and wins 50 points for his team with his Priest or Rabbi or Sheikh. The cycle continues. He has children. He believes those children will also battle the non-believers. We constitute his dialectic : his other. And it validates his scripture that says we exist. When all he should really do is think to himself? Why are the only prophets and all his analogies and all his words from one region of the world? Why not George or Xi or Carlos or Gupta?

This was written too fast to be properly edited. I might come back and elaborate and continue.

(December 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm)StrongWaters Wrote:

(December 3, 2013 at 9:50 am)FreeTony Wrote: "God is timeless" is something Christians spout all the time. Along with "God is both inside and outside time"

What does it even mean? Whenever I've asked for clarification none is given, they just expect you to accept this with no explanation. I'm coming at this with a background in physics.

Time is very difficult to understand and as far as I'm aware no one really does, though plenty of work is being done to establish it. It could well be that time is just an illusion.

I just don't understand what they can possibly mean. Anyone clear it up, or am I thinking about it in too much depth and it's just pseudo-scientific garbage with no meaning at all?

A dot is the shadow of a line (1D). A line is the shadow of a plane (2D). Your shadow is the 2D shadow cast by your 3D body. It follows you around by perspective to the light and your position according to the light. Light reveals what it hits. Above space, we have time. Space is the shadow of time. We experience the shadow of time only, but we can presuppose that time has two other sides at orthogonal angles from the fifth dimensional space, which is really what you are experiencing. This is known as the probability space. It is all outcomes that are possible according to law (6D). When you make a choice, you collapse the indeterminate wave function of light into a determined choice. When you do, law governs the choice and sends the choice (will) as a shadow into time. Time then casts the 3D world as its shadow. 3D then casts a 2D shadow and 1D casts the dot. Zoom in on the dot and you have yet another universe.

God is above as the governor, yet he can see us below just as we see a 2D Flatland below our dimension. When you watch a movie, it is the same. The mechanism is needed to produce information (Word) into form. Light is the prime mechanism for collapsing wave function.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
See these threads:

Aleph Bet is Father. Letters write the Word.

Amen in Hebrew

words do not exist in timelessness or as u call it eternity ...becouse they take time to pronounce or think of in a way to make scentences...apart from the fact that there is no wave function becouse the absence of air..

and an other question

WHO CREATED THE DARNESS (gen 1.2) THAT WAS THERE BEFORE GOD CREATED THE LIGHT IN GEN 1.3??

FOR DARKNESS TO BE THERE, THERE HAD TO BE ``SOMETHING`` BEFORE, BECOUSE`` NOTHING`` DOESNT EVEN ALLOW DARKNESS TO EXIST ..

SO WHO CREATED THAT ``SOMETHING`` OUT OF ``NOTHING`` ALLOWING UR GOD TO CREATE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH (GEN 1.1) IN THAT ``SOMETHING`` IN THE DARKNESS??

(December 7, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Or maybe it does... exist... somewhere... in a high dimensionality space, confined to a 3D+1 "sheet of paper"...
Philosophizing is fun!

I fail to see the point of this statement since it doesn't disprove my post.

Not everything I write is meant to disprove your posts!

(December 8, 2013 at 5:47 am)daandaan Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: A dot is the shadow of a line (1D). A line is the shadow of a plane (2D). Your shadow is the 2D shadow cast by your 3D body. It follows you around by perspective to the light and your position according to the light. Light reveals what it hits. Above space, we have time. Space is the shadow of time. We experience the shadow of time only, but we can presuppose that time has two other sides at orthogonal angles from the fifth dimensional space, which is really what you are experiencing. This is known as the probability space. It is all outcomes that are possible according to law (6D). When you make a choice, you collapse the indeterminate wave function of light into a determined choice. When you do, law governs the choice and sends the choice (will) as a shadow into time. Time then casts the 3D world as its shadow. 3D then casts a 2D shadow and 1D casts the dot. Zoom in on the dot and you have yet another universe.

God is above as the governor, yet he can see us below just as we see a 2D Flatland below our dimension. When you watch a movie, it is the same. The mechanism is needed to produce information (Word) into form. Light is the prime mechanism for collapsing wave function.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
See these threads:

Aleph Bet is Father. Letters write the Word.

Amen in Hebrew

words do not exist in timelessness or as u call it eternity ...becouse they take time to pronounce or think of in a way to make scentences...apart from the fact that there is no wave function becouse the absence of air..

and an other question

WHO CREATED THE DARNESS (gen 1.2) THAT WAS THERE BEFORE GOD CREATED THE LIGHT IN GEN 1.3??

FOR DARKNESS TO BE THERE, THERE HAD TO BE ``SOMETHING`` BEFORE, BECOUSE`` NOTHING`` DOESNT EVEN ALLOW DARKNESS TO EXIST ..

SO WHO CREATED THAT ``SOMETHING`` OUT OF ``NOTHING`` ALLOWING UR GOD TO CREATE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH (GEN 1.1) IN THAT ``SOMETHING`` IN THE DARKNESS??

In the beginning (TIME), God created the Heavens (Space) and the Earth (Matter)...Let there be light (Energy).

Creating an image is far different than rendering those seeds into form. The creation of the image could have been done with an information system of some type. By saying the waters of the deep were formless and void, this is hydrogen in a high state of order with low entropy.