(February 14, 2010 at 1:10 am)Watson Wrote: No. Suicide is something God would never do and never condone. God's gift to us is life, it is given purely out of love for us. Returning the gift is something unthinkable, and leaves behind nothing of your soul but misery and pain. Things which God quickly forgets.

nope god dose not like Suicide.... but he loves him some sacrifices... animals ... children.... A little tabasco and a bud light and it's a party... and a good stoning... now thats entertainment... The more I think about it gods LOVE sounds less like love and more like CONTEMPT.

Watson, can you name just one event in the Bible where you find the character of God to be immoral?

Can you acknowledge just one time when you think this supposedly higher intelligence couldn't have found a better solution to the problem in his supposedly infinite mind rather than mass murder or eternal torture in Hell?

It's futile trying to defend such a monster and then portray him as benevolent. I should know. I tried to do just that. Back when I was a fundamental Christian there were acts committed and atrocities that even I found hard to swallow, like in Kings, when he sent two bears to kill children just for making fun of Elisha's bald head. I daren't speak of these passages whenever boasting from my soap-box of his apparent 'cosmic loving nature' because they were simply inexcusable – my god concept was one that advocated child murder, infanticide and child abuse.


Now onto this God's 'Gift of Life', I don't know about you, but I was conceived by my mother, ask my parents and they can assure you that no mafia boss in the sky gave me anything.

Are you trying to argue that not all babies are born equally? That some are biological shells and others have an immortal soul courtesy of magic man?

(February 14, 2010 at 11:33 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Watson, can you name just one event in the Bible where you find the character of God to be immoral?

Can you acknowledge just one time when you think this supposedly higher intelligence couldn't have found a better solution to the problem in his supposedly infinite mind rather than mass murder or eternal torture in Hell?

It's futile trying to defend such a monster and then portray him as benevolent. I should know. I tried to do just that. Back when I was a fundamental Christian there were acts committed and atrocities that even I found hard to swallow, like in Kings, when he sent two bears to kill children just for making fun of Elisha's bald head. I daren't speak of these passages whenever boasting from my soap-box of his apparent 'cosmic loving nature' because they were simply inexcusable – my god concept was one that advocated child murder, infanticide and child abuse.


Now onto this God's 'Gift of Life', I don't know about you, but I was conceived by my mother, ask my parents and they can assure you that no mafia boss in the sky gave me anything.

Are you trying to argue that not all babies are born equally? That some are biological shells and others have an immortal soul courtesy of magic man?

ooh ooh MR. CARTEIR.. let me try

2KINGS 2 23-24
ISAIAH 13:16
JUDGES 11: 29-40
LEVITICUS 20:13
EXODUS 21:20


FOR A FEW OF MY FAVES

(February 16, 2010 at 9:02 am)Xyster Wrote:

(February 14, 2010 at 11:33 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Watson, can you name just one event in the Bible where you find the character of God to be immoral?

Can you acknowledge just one time when you think this supposedly higher intelligence couldn't have found a better solution to the problem in his supposedly infinite mind rather than mass murder or eternal torture in Hell?

It's futile trying to defend such a monster and then portray him as benevolent. I should know. I tried to do just that. Back when I was a fundamental Christian there were acts committed and atrocities that even I found hard to swallow, like in Kings, when he sent two bears to kill children just for making fun of Elisha's bald head. I daren't speak of these passages whenever boasting from my soap-box of his apparent 'cosmic loving nature' because they were simply inexcusable – my god concept was one that advocated child murder, infanticide and child abuse.


Now onto this God's 'Gift of Life', I don't know about you, but I was conceived by my mother, ask my parents and they can assure you that no mafia boss in the sky gave me anything.

Are you trying to argue that not all babies are born equally? That some are biological shells and others have an immortal soul courtesy of magic man?

ooh ooh MR. CARTEIR.. let me try

2KINGS 2 23-24
ISAIAH 13:16
JUDGES 11: 29-40
LEVITICUS 20:13
EXODUS 21:20


FOR A FEW OF MY FAVES

And you didn't even mention Deuteronomy. It's like that dude's bipolar or something.

If God exists, he needs therapy.

(February 14, 2010 at 11:33 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Watson, can you name just one event in the Bible where you find the character of God to be immoral?

Can you acknowledge just one time when you think this supposedly higher intelligence couldn't have found a better solution to the problem in his supposedly infinite mind rather than mass murder or eternal torture in Hell?

It's futile trying to defend such a monster and then portray him as benevolent. I should know. I tried to do just that. Back when I was a fundamental Christian there were acts committed and atrocities that even I found hard to swallow, like in Kings, when he sent two bears to kill children just for making fun of Elisha's bald head. I daren't speak of these passages whenever boasting from my soap-box of his apparent 'cosmic loving nature' because they were simply inexcusable – my god concept was one that advocated child murder, infanticide and child abuse.

No, there is no moment in the Bible where God is as evil or immoral. There could, perhaps, be moments where God is portrayed in that sense and so comes away from a particular story looking quite nasty, but upon closer inspection, and with the right eye, there is a much more simple answer to be given.

I've yet to read that story, or passage, so I can't comment on what it might mean. Not yet. But I wont shy away from it once I get there, because I know there are some things that look very hard to swallow- at first glance.

Quote:Now onto this God's 'Gift of Life', I don't know about you, but I was conceived by my mother, ask my parents and they can assure you that no mafia boss in the sky gave me anything.

Oh, come on, you know what I mean. Your parents conceived you, gave birth to you, but it is because of God that you weren't born into a complete blank void.

Quote:Are you trying to argue that not all babies are born equally? That some are biological shells and others have an immortal soul courtesy of magic man?

...No? I don't see where I ever indicated this at all, either.

Quote:nope god dose not like Suicide.... but he loves him some sacrifices... animals ... children.... A little tabasco and a bud light and it's a party... and a good stoning... now thats entertainment... The more I think about it gods LOVE sounds less like love and more like CONTEMPT.

I do't recall ever saying God liked stonings or sacrifices? Excuse me? I don't know about you but the more I look around and see how much of a life we've been given and see all the amazing, wonderful things there are to connect to and explore, I get the idea that someone must have loved us alot to give all of this to us.

(February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm)Watson Wrote: No, there is no moment in the Bible where God is as evil or immoral. There could, perhaps, be moments where God is portrayed in that sense and so comes away from a particular story looking quite nasty, but upon closer inspection, and with the right eye, there is a much more simple answer to be given.

The ends justify the means. Job was a good guy, so obviously he deserved to have all his shit taken away and his family killed because God wanted to prove something to Satan. It's ok, he got all his shit back later on, so it was cool.

By that merit, I can run over your dog, then set him on fire in front of you, but then redeem myself by getting you a dog that doesn't pee on the couch as much.

The "right eye" just means you dismiss the things that you don't like, or interpret it in a way that doesn't show God as a murdering and jealous tyrant.

(February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm)Watson Wrote: I've yet to read that story, or passage, so I can't comment on what it might mean. Not yet. But I wont shy away from it once I get there, because I know there are some things that look very hard to swallow- at first glance.

If at first it don't fit - rationalize. It works for every other religious person.

(February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm)Watson Wrote: Oh, come on, you know what I mean. Your parents conceived you, gave birth to you, but it is because of God that you weren't born into a complete blank void.

I'll just let you know right here I have no idea what you're talking about.

(February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm)Watson Wrote: I do't recall ever saying God liked stonings or sacrifices? Excuse me? I don't know about you but the more I look around and see how much of a life we've been given and see all the amazing, wonderful things there are to connect to and explore, I get the idea that someone must have loved us alot to give all of this to us.

God gets a hard on for stoning and sacrificing the wicked. Check out the Old Testament, brah.

When you say "given", do you mean in your privileged, western culture? How about the babies born into literal shit, and have a 20% survival rate? How about all the disease and famine in the world? Was that given to us by someone who hated us? Why would a loving God allow this to his children?

When I look at the world through a more relistic perspective, I realize we are the collective products of our surroundings and actions, coupled with chance. I don't need God to complete this equation, and the world is just as much, if not MORE wonderous and awe-inspiring without such an assumption.

Think about it. Wouldn't it be liberating to know that the only one looking after you is yourself? And that you ultimately control what actions you take in life, free of any supernatural influence?

That you could have a brain and USE IT without having God or Satan control and influence your thoughts?

That would be sa-weeeet.

It appears Watson hasnt read the bible in its entirety!
This could be why he is still a christian.

For a book that's peddled to kids, there sure it a lot of risque stuff going on there.

I have a great idea. The bible should be a movie. You think they can squeeze an R rating and not go NC-17?

(February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm)Watson Wrote: No, there is no moment in the Bible where God is as evil or immoral. There could, perhaps, be moments where God is portrayed in that sense and so comes away from a particular story looking quite nasty, but upon closer inspection, and with the right eye, there is a much more simple answer to be given.

I've yet to read that story, or passage, so I can't comment on what it might mean. Not yet. But I wont shy away from it once I get there, because I know there are some things that look very hard to swallow- at first glance.

Then I recommend you take a glance sometime of the Skeptics Annotated Bible, it highlights all the naughty and downright absurd stuff your god concept got up to in his free time.

Watson Wrote:Oh, come on, you know what I mean. Your parents conceived you, gave birth to you, but it is because of God that you weren't born into a complete blank void.

...What?

Watson Wrote:...No? I don't see where I ever indicated this at all, either.

Your previous post quoted above begs to differ. You seem to think I have some sort of non-physical 'spirit' or 'soul thingy' inside me, instead of organs.

(February 16, 2010 at 2:40 pm)tavarish Wrote: The ends justify the means. Job was a good guy, so obviously he deserved to have all his shit taken away and his family killed because God wanted to prove something to Satan. It's ok, he got all his shit back later on, so it was cool.

Not exactly, read Job 42:1-17 to find God gave Job replacement children, he didn't resurrect those who were murdered! God (or Satan) killed Job's first set of kids (Job 1:19), but was given a second batch as a token gesture for "keeping the faith", God also made sure the daughters were even more attractive than his last lot.

(February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm)Watson Wrote: No, there is no moment in the Bible where God is as evil or immoral. There could, perhaps, be moments where God is portrayed in that sense and so comes away from a particular story looking quite nasty, but upon closer inspection, and with the right eye, there is a much more simple answer to be given.

I've yet to read that story, or passage, so I can't comment on what it might mean. Not yet. But I wont shy away from it once I get there, because I know there are some things that look very hard to swallow- at first glance.

You make assertions there is no evil or immoral acts done by the Almighty and then admit to not knowing the material, while ignoring that said material may be the exact immoral/evil acts in question.