(December 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Bull fucking shit! Do you really think you are the only religion who tries to retrofit modern science to ambiguous words in a holy book? I have debated Christians and Jews and most recently a Hindu. None of that ancient claptrap had any modern scientific knowledge.

"Sperm" to all cultures back then was like a seed you planted in a field, no one of any religion had any fucking clue what DNA was.

Humans back then thought the man gave the seed and planted it to grow like a crop in the field (the girl/woman). That shows absolutely no working knowledge of human biology.

The word "atom" existed in ancient Greek, do you think they BACK THEN knew what a nucleus, proton, electron or quark were BACK THEN? No they merely meant "REALLY REALLY SMALL THING".

I had a Christian apologist argue to me that Aquinas new about Quantum Mechanics, did the same shit you are doing here. No math, no peer review, simply ambiguous words. Like a child seeing shapes in the clouds.

I've even had arguments with Star Trek fans who claim the show predicted the modern cell phone. If that was true then why don't we all worship Captain Kirk as a god? Others claim the transporter is a future possibility.

"Sperm" to ALL cultures back then was the ignorant idea that men had seeds like you plant in the ground. Primitive thought and ignorant thought having nothing to do with reality.

Actually I didnt read the big part of what you write , I'm so tired and sleepy.
The presence of atoms was an abstract idea and it has been proposed firstly by Hindus , not Greeks . Greek travallers were collecting this informations from different peoples of distant lands.

Quran talks about atom as "zerre" or "zurra" , I'm not sure . Some verses in Quran talks about more small pieces of "zerre" , so protons-neutrons-electrons-quarks-god particle etc ...

(December 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm)Ksa Wrote: ^ You're talking about atoms and so on, when she doesn't even understand that the testicles are located between the backbone and the ribs...

She doesn't understand. For people like her, Allah mentions in Surat An-Nisā' 4:56:



For those who do not understand, only fear can get them on the straight path. She has to obey by fear because her brain doesn't allow her to comprehend a simple verse:



The testicles are located in-between the backbone and the ribs. There is no philosophy. There is no homework to be done. The verse is most CLEAR and most CONCISE, just like Allah is. She has to:

1. Put on the Hijab
2. Stop saying Allah is imprecise and stop bending verses how she wants.
3. Only speak of Allah in unique adjective eg. most gracious, most merciful etc.
4. Believe that the testicles from which sperm emerges are in between the backbone and the ribs.

I already know the Muslim standard reply to this incase you're interested.

Quote:The verse is talking about seaman and not sperm which comes from the prostate.

The verse is talking about the fact testicles originate from inside the body in birth.

The verse is talking about the blood supply which leads to the testicles.

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Not that I believe any of this, and it makes it less believable because muslims can't possibly believe all three things are true.

Plus the fact that seaman isn't the seed that people come from.

(December 13, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Bull fucking shit! Do you really think you are the only religion who tries to retrofit modern science to ambiguous words in a holy book? I have debated Christians and Jews and most recently a Hindu. None of that ancient claptrap had any modern scientific knowledge.

"Sperm" to all cultures back then was like a seed you planted in a field, no one of any religion had any fucking clue what DNA was.

Humans back then thought the man gave the seed and planted it to grow like a crop in the field (the girl/woman). That shows absolutely no working knowledge of human biology.

The word "atom" existed in ancient Greek, do you think they BACK THEN knew what a nucleus, proton, electron or quark were BACK THEN? No they merely meant "REALLY REALLY SMALL THING".

I had a Christian apologist argue to me that Aquinas new about Quantum Mechanics, did the same shit you are doing here. No math, no peer review, simply ambiguous words. Like a child seeing shapes in the clouds.

I've even had arguments with Star Trek fans who claim the show predicted the modern cell phone. If that was true then why don't we all worship Captain Kirk as a god? Others claim the transporter is a future possibility.

"Sperm" to ALL cultures back then was the ignorant idea that men had seeds like you plant in the ground. Primitive thought and ignorant thought having nothing to do with reality.

Actually I didnt read the big part of what you write , I'm so tired and sleepy.
The presence of atoms was an abstract idea and it has been proposed firstly by Hindus , not Greeks . Greek travallers were collecting this informations from different peoples of distant lands.

Quran talks about atom as "zerre" or "zurra" , I'm not sure . Some verses in Quran talks about more small pieces of "zerre" , so protons-neutrons-electrons-quarks-god particle etc ...

No, Hindus if they had a word for "atom" it meant the same fucking thing as the Greeks, REALLY REALLY REALLY SMALL THING. But neither would have had knowledge of nucleus or protons or electrons. Don't be an idiot and claim any ancient myth club had any working knowledge of modern science.

But since you make that argument that the Hindus used the word first then Vishnu must be a real god and you should worship that god.

Science is not dependent on ALLAH or Vishnu or Jesus or Thor, you know it and you are just too deluded to accept it.

Not to mention sapients were fucking and reproducing long before Islam, Christianity, Roman/Greek Polythiesm/Hinduism ect ect ect.

Holy books are NOT science textbooks, not yours not any.

(December 13, 2013 at 6:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, Hindus if they had a word for "atom" it meant the same fucking thing as the Greeks, REALLY REALLY REALLY SMALL THING. But neither would have had knowledge of nucleus or protons or electrons. Don't be an idiot and claim any ancient myth club had any working knowledge of modern science.

But since you make that argument that the Hindus used the word first then Vishnu must be a real god and you should worship that god.

Science is not dependent on ALLAH or Vishnu or Jesus or Thor, you know it and you are just too deluded to accept it.

Not to mention sapients were fucking and reproducing long before Islam, Christianity, Roman/Greek Polythiesm/Hinduism ect ect ect.

Holy books are NOT science textbooks, not yours not any.

I say again , Greeks or Hindus talks about "atom" as the smallest parts of substances . They are located in such a prediction , just a guess . Quran directly talks about the "atom" and more smaller things than atom . Not a prediction , an information .

Be careful while you talking with me and choose the right words away from rudeness .

(December 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Be careful while you talking with me and choose the right words away from rudeness .

I know you cannot read this because you blocked me, but I am going to state it nonetheless.

Stop being an ignorant twit.

(December 13, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(December 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Be careful while you talking with me and choose the right words away from rudeness .

I know you cannot read this because you blocked me, but I am going to state it nonetheless.

Stop being an ignorant twit.

There you go. On display for all to see.

(December 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Nineteen Wrote: I say again , Greeks or Hindus talks about "atom" as the smallest parts of substances . They are located in such a prediction , just a guess . Quran directly talks about the "atom" and more smaller things than atom . Not a prediction , an information .

Be careful while you talking with me and choose the right words away from rudeness .

Amazing. All this divinely inspired knowledge of the subatomic explains why Muslims have been awarded so many Nobel prizes for their contributions to particle physics. Oh, wait.....

(December 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 13, 2013 at 6:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, Hindus if they had a word for "atom" it meant the same fucking thing as the Greeks, REALLY REALLY REALLY SMALL THING. But neither would have had knowledge of nucleus or protons or electrons. Don't be an idiot and claim any ancient myth club had any working knowledge of modern science.

But since you make that argument that the Hindus used the word first then Vishnu must be a real god and you should worship that god.

Science is not dependent on ALLAH or Vishnu or Jesus or Thor, you know it and you are just too deluded to accept it.

Not to mention sapients were fucking and reproducing long before Islam, Christianity, Roman/Greek Polythiesm/Hinduism ect ect ect.

Holy books are NOT science textbooks, not yours not any.

I say again , Greeks or Hindus talks about "atom" as the smallest parts of substances . They are located in such a prediction , just a guess . Quran directly talks about the "atom" and more smaller things than atom . Not a prediction , an information .

Be careful while you talking with me and choose the right words away from rudeness .

NO IT DID NOT! Get your fucking head out of your ass.

Yes I will be rude. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to post this tripe. The fact that we are not buying it is your problem, not ours.

You are NOT doing anything differently people of other religions do. You got stuck on Islam and fallaciously want it to match science AFTER THE FACT.

Christians and Jews have pulled the same "science matches my book" crap you are trying to pull here.

IT DOES NOT FUCKING WORK.

EVIDENCE IS NOT RELIGION BASED PERIOD! It will not prop up ALLAH or Jesus or Thor.

You might as well be arguing Harry Potter explains aeronautics because he flies around on a broom.

(December 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Nineteen Wrote: I say again , Greeks or Hindus talks about "atom" as the smallest parts of substances . They are located in such a prediction , just a guess . Quran directly talks about the "atom" and more smaller things than atom . Not a prediction , an information .

Be careful while you talking with me and choose the right words away from rudeness .

Ignorance To Knowledge translator gives:

(December 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm)SmartNineteen Wrote: I say this again: Greeks and Hindus define "atom" as being the smallest part of matter. (this part is unintelligible). The Qur'an talks about the atom and even things smaller than the atom. It is not a prediction, but a fact.

Please do not mock my lack of knowledge because according to Sura 2:228 women are inferior to men.

She doesn't know English, and she clearly doesn't know Arabic either. Mind me asking what language does she speak?

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(December 13, 2013 at 7:48 am)Nineteen Wrote: This is an examination , people who use their minds will pass this exam , people who persistently trying to hide truth and trying to distort the meanings of words will be flunked.

Guys...ok I'll explain what she's saying here lol:

Earth is like a quarantine to weed the sick from the healthy. The healthy are granted Janna(heaven) Inch'Allah and the sick go to Hell. So this life on Earth is a TEST. An examination. For assurance Allah will test you, with loss of goods, with loss of life, and only those who keep faith succeed.

To pass this examination, condition Number 1, Sine qua non, is that you worship the one true God, Allah. Allah may forgive any sin, but the sin of Shirk! That is? Associating partners with God. Idol worship BUT PARASTI! Ha! That's why muslims remind Indians from their Weda scripture that God is one...NEHIHE NEHIHE ZARABI NEHIHE! Is there a second God? Not at all not at all not the least whatsoever! Nehihe Nehihe Zarabi Nehihe!

So basically if you believe in 1 God, and if you believe that prophet Muhammad is the last and final messenger of Allah, you have a chance of going to Janna even if you never practice. Because Allah may forgive any sin but the sin of Shirk. Chances are low but there are chances. Now, if you stop having pork, if you stop having alcohol, you're doing YEBADA, you're worshiping Allah subsanna illallah. If you pray 5 times a day again, the chances are greater to go to Janna.

So if you BELIEVE that Ash Hadu Alla Ilaha Illallah Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammadan Abduhu Wa Rasuluh...you earned the right to go to Janna, what comes after, the practicing part, is just you increasing your chances to pass the examination.


Can you imagine...this is what she believes. I don't have enough palms to put on my face, you gotta lend me some, I promise I'll give them back. Lend me some palms dear God, she's so young and she wastes her youth with this. Lend them to me! Lend me them palms!!!

(December 13, 2013 at 10:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

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NO IT DID NOT! Get your fucking head out of your ass.

Yes I will be rude. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to post this tripe. The fact that we are not buying it is your problem, not ours.

You are NOT doing anything differently people of other religions do. You got stuck on Islam and fallaciously want it to match science AFTER THE FACT.

Christians and Jews have pulled the same "science matches my book" crap you are trying to pull here.

IT DOES NOT FUCKING WORK.

EVIDENCE IS NOT RELIGION BASED PERIOD! It will not prop up ALLAH or Jesus or Thor.

You might as well be arguing Harry Potter explains aeronautics because he flies around on a broom.

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I had warned you but still you continue to speak the same. I'm gonna ignore you and you will stay there forever .

(December 13, 2013 at 10:14 pm)Ksa Wrote:

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Ignorance To Knowledge translator gives:
She doesn't know English, and she clearly doesn't know Arabic either. Mind me asking what language does she speak?

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(December 13, 2013 at 7:48 am)Nineteen Wrote: This is an examination , people who use their minds will pass this exam , people who persistently trying to hide truth and trying to distort the meanings of words will be flunked.

Guys...ok I'll explain what she's saying here lol:

Earth is like a quarantine to weed the sick from the healthy. The healthy are granted Janna(heaven) Inch'Allah and the sick go to Hell. So this life on Earth is a TEST. An examination. For assurance Allah will test you, with loss of goods, with loss of life, and only those who keep faith succeed.

To pass this examination, condition Number 1, Sine qua non, is that you worship the one true God, Allah. Allah may forgive any sin, but the sin of Shirk! That is? Associating partners with God. Idol worship BUT PARASTI! Ha! That's why muslims remind Indians from their Weda scripture that God is one...NEHIHE NEHIHE ZARABI NEHIHE! Is there a second God? Not at all not at all not the least whatsoever! Nehihe Nehihe Zarabi Nehihe!

So basically if you believe in 1 God, and if you believe that prophet Muhammad is the last and final messenger of Allah, you have a chance of going to Janna even if you never practice. Because Allah may forgive any sin but the sin of Shirk. Chances are low but there are chances. Now, if you stop having pork, if you stop having alcohol, you're doing YEBADA, you're worshiping Allah subsanna illallah. If you pray 5 times a day again, the chances are greater to go to Janna.

So if you BELIEVE that Ash Hadu Alla Ilaha Illallah Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammadan Abduhu Wa Rasuluh...you earned the right to go to Janna, what comes after, the practicing part, is just you increasing your chances to pass the examination.


Can you imagine...this is what she believes. I don't have enough palms to put on my face, you gotta lend me some, I promise I'll give them back. Lend me some palms dear God, she's so young and she wastes her youth with this. Lend them to me! Lend me them palms!!!

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And your fate will be the same if you continue to speak such childish. I wont warn for a second time .

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