(December 14, 2013 at 6:11 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: We say, "Koran quotes are useless in convincing us." And they reply, "Is that so? Well here's a hearty supply of even more Koran verses for your reading pleasure!" It's like they're trying fit a square peg into a round hole, but without ever stopping.

I think this is another wrong opinion about muslims . We are not interested so much about if you believe in Quran or not . But we have to answer when someone ask about Islam or we become aware of an incorrect expression about Islam . But probably big part of muslims wont insist if you dont want to understand deliberately .

Islamic Golden Age?

If by Golden Age you mean, "We conquered all the intelligent places and then took credit for them before shutting off progress by forcing conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude), then sure.

The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

In fact, the religion tends to discourage knowledge outside of itself, which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

(December 14, 2013 at 6:03 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I'm sure Rayaan is lurking, but he's smart enough to keep from associating with crazy. Still, it would be nice to hear from a Muslim that knows how to reason.

Too busy with more important stuff, but yeah I know what's going on even though I haven't actually read most of this thread. Much action and drama kills my desire to participate.

(December 14, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Much action and drama kills my desire to participate.

Excuses, excuses. :p

(December 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Islamic Golden Age?

If by Golden Age you mean, "We conquered all the intelligent places and then took credit for them before shutting off progress by forcing conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude), then sure.

The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

In fact, the religion tends to discourage knowledge outside of itself, which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

Can you give me examples for this conquered countries which was advanced in science , together their inventions and discoveries . I want to learn .

And can you explain me how you can make a person muslim by force ?

Quote:It's like they're trying fit a square peg into a round hole, but without ever stopping.

More like they are trying to pull that stupid fucking book out of their own assholes.

(December 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm)Nineteen Wrote: And can you explain me how you can make a person muslim by force ?

OH, but I do know how...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Christian

(December 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm)Nineteen Wrote: And can you explain me how you can make a person muslim by force ?

No one can officially force you to say the Islamic shahada, because they always ask you if anyone is forcing you to accept Islam before making you say the shahada. But naturally, under social pressure, of course the person will not say someone is forcing him, even-though in reality everyone is.

Quote:Can you give me examples for this conquered countries which was advanced in science , together their inventions and discoveries . I want to learn .

Syria, Byzantine, Egypt(pretty damn advanced to the time if you ask me),Italy, the remains of the Alexandria library(biggest library in the world at the time) was destroyed under orders of Caliph Omar who stated “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them.”
Source
http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2010/...lexandria/

Also I found only one muslim scientist who contributed to islamic golden age but his religion is under question and there are still disputes. Those 2 who made biggest contributions however are Omar Khayyám and Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī first being agnostic hedonist and latter being adherent of the Zoroastarianism.

As for making somebody muslim by force it means taking away privelages from non muslims while giving privelages to the muslims or inducing sanctions on non muslims.

(December 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(December 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm)Nineteen Wrote: And can you explain me how you can make a person muslim by force ?

OH, but I do know how...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Christian

Moriskas were not christians , they were muslims who were forced to live like christian as second class citizens .

600.000 of them has been driven out of Spain and 75% of 800.000 has been killed . (is an excerpt from the book "Les Morisques")

You cant change the people's belief with force .