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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 17, 2013 at 6:43 pm
(December 17, 2013 at 4:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The establishment clause was intended to prevent an official state religion and religious tests for office holders. It has nothing to do with expressing favors or promotion of religion. If it did the early Congress would not have printed bibles for distribution.
The Constitution is the beginning of our law, not the end of it. You won't find a right to a fair trial or a right to vote in it, either.
Although the early Congress was often at odds with the framers on separation of religion and government, but you shouldn't get your historical information from David Barton. For one thing, he's not an historian and for another he's a liar.
The Aitken Bible story is modern mythology, the early Congress didn't print any Bibles for distribution, though I don't doubt the modern one would if they thought they could get away with it.
Not that I expect finding out Congress didn't print those Bibles will have any effect on your opinion.
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm
(December 16, 2013 at 10:37 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (December 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Polaris Wrote: Intelligent people just skip the middle man.
Oh, for Christ's sake. 
By using Wikipedia, you are adding an unnecessary step.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 17, 2013 at 10:34 pm
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 18, 2013 at 3:29 am
(December 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm)Polaris Wrote: (December 16, 2013 at 10:37 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Oh, for Allah's sake.
By using Wikipedia, you are adding an unnecessary step.
Please don't misquote me. It's against the rules, and I'm reporting you for it (the first time I've ever reported anyone).
And actually, no. Wikipedia is good because it condenses things that otherwise wouldn't be condensed.
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 18, 2013 at 7:14 pm
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My God Cthulhu has a bigger dick than your God Jesus!
So much more badass than Jesus!
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 19, 2013 at 2:04 pm
OMG I love great satire!
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 19, 2013 at 4:10 pm
(December 13, 2013 at 10:19 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Religious groups have just as much right as any other group to use public property on which displays of conscience are displayed. Go get you secular humanist manifesto, or whatever floats your boat, carve it on a monument and place it next to the cross. Issue solved. Freedom preserved. The alternative is just censorship, plain and simple.
I think that if anyone did that, there would be a very loud and indignant outcry from Christians. Do you really believe that they would be okay with what you propose?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 19, 2013 at 10:10 pm
(December 18, 2013 at 3:29 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: (December 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm)Polaris Wrote: By using Wikipedia, you are adding an unnecessary step.
Please don't misquote me. It's against the rules, and I'm reporting you for it (the first time I've ever reported anyone).
And actually, no. Wikipedia is good because it condenses things that otherwise wouldn't be condensed.
Because changing Christ to Allah so impacts the meaning of your post.
There's a thing called a memo...even more condensed than Wikipedia.
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 20, 2013 at 3:35 am
Actually, it does because I'm referring to a Christian as opposed to a Muslim.
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
December 21, 2013 at 10:22 pm
(December 20, 2013 at 3:35 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Actually, it does because I'm referring to a Christian as opposed to a Muslim.
Nice try...
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