(December 23, 2013 at 5:32 am)savedwheat Wrote: Not all the sources for Jesus are internal. More than a dozen are external.

Nope.
The only evidence for jesus is extremely circumstantial and there is nothing you can show us that we haven't destroyed before.

What claim about the universe does it make that's false?

(December 23, 2013 at 5:25 am)savedwheat Wrote: Why aren't the sources of the Bible for Jesus corroborating sources like other sources for other people?

there are no sources.

How many times can we explain this to you? The bible is a claim, it is not evidence.

There are no accounts if Jesus until well after his death.

Many of the accounts in the bible of other events are demonstrably false and destroy any sense that it is any way credible as an actual recording of factual history.

This is why we ask for evidence of the claims. As you can't provide any, we can quite easily stick to our conclusions that the bible is bullshit, at least until someone comes along and actually gives us some sort of substantiated evidence (if).

(December 23, 2013 at 5:31 am)Cinjin Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 5:28 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Because they are internal. The three books of lotr corroborate the existence of orcs, but they don't raise the text above fiction because they are from the same book. The council of nicea could have simply picked out the texts which agreed and ignored the rest. Or indeed written some new ones.

I already explained this to wheat. He's asking the same questions until he gets the response he wants. Which of course is never going to happen. Which at that point, will be considered Flaming if he keeps it up ... which will get him banned.

Or... Are orcs real? Eh? What then Mr know it all so called atheist? What then?

Nah, he'll answer my question in a second, just watch.

(December 23, 2013 at 5:33 am)savedwheat Wrote: What claim about the universe does it make that's false?

The universe was created in 6 days

Someone tell him about rule 1

(December 23, 2013 at 5:35 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 5:33 am)savedwheat Wrote: What claim about the universe does it make that's false?

The universe was created in 6 days

That god got pissed at his creation and destroyed it in a flood.

The 6 days are not the creation but the restoration. In other words after God created perfectly over 13.7 billion years (Gen. 1.1), the sin of the inhabitants of earth's earliest ages sinned so much, He had to make it desolate and waste (v.2), killing off the dinosuars. But then He restored it summed up by the 6 twenty-four literal days.

Quote:Not all the sources for Jesus are internal. More than a dozen are external.

The trouble with the 'historical' sources for Jesus is that none of them - not a single one - are contemporary, i.e., written within the purported lifetime of Jesus. Even if we stretch a point and consider the synoptic Gospels as 'historic' accounts (they aren't, they're hagiographies), there were also written decades AFTER the alleged life of Jesus.

We don't have this problem with other figures of antiquity - Julius, Augustus, Jenghiz Khan, and so forth. We have extant examples of things they wrote themselves, or things that were written about them while they were alive, or contemporary statues or coins with their faces and names on them, etc.

We have nothing comparable to the Jesus of Nazareth character.

Boru

There are no sources contemporary for anyone so why do you accept people existed in antiquity except for Jesus?