(December 29, 2013 at 11:26 am)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 11:11 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, here, our ranks are not compromised of soccer hooligans.
Our ranks are filled with people that are well motivated, well indoctrinated and are ready to lay down their lives. And I lead by example.

That's what they all say. You are just a crazy young person, you'll probably grow out of it. But for now, your craziness provides me with amusement.

Well, I am young, which is why we are the active arm of the organisation. Obviously our elderly members are as our big brothers, they lead us with their experience and provide for us with monetary assistance to the cause.
Our objective is to gain supremacy in the schools, the universities, governmental institutions and the streets, the general public.
But unfortunately, our presence is diminishing within the police force. If we get a a hold on the police, we'd be unstoppable.

(December 29, 2013 at 11:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 11:26 am)MarxRaptor Wrote: That's what they all say. You are just a crazy young person, you'll probably grow out of it. But for now, your craziness provides me with amusement.

Well, I am young, which is why we are the active arm of the organisation. Obviously our elderly members are as our big brothers, they lead us with their experience and provide for us with monetary assistance to the cause.
Our objective is to gain supremacy in the schools, the universities, governmental institutions and the streets, the general public.
But unfortunately, our presence is diminishing within the police force. If we get a a hold on the police, we'd be unstoppable.

Are you a Grey Wolf (Ülkücü Gençlik)?

(December 29, 2013 at 11:37 am)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 11:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, I am young, which is why we are the active arm of the organisation. Obviously our elderly members are as our big brothers, they lead us with their experience and provide for us with monetary assistance to the cause.
Our objective is to gain supremacy in the schools, the universities, governmental institutions and the streets, the general public.
But unfortunately, our presence is diminishing within the police force. If we get a a hold on the police, we'd be unstoppable.

Are you a Grey Wolf?

Yes indeed. I have first been a part of the organisation in Germany, and took a break when I came back to Turkey. But now in the university I am once again a part of the organisation.

(December 29, 2013 at 11:47 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 11:37 am)MarxRaptor Wrote: Are you a Grey Wolf?

Yes indeed. I have first been a part of the organisation in Germany, and took a break when I came back to Turkey. But now in the university I am once again a part of the organisation.

You do realize that the Grey Wolves were funded by America to keep out the communists? If they ever did come to power the US would not hesitate to clean up its mess & invade Turkey.

(December 29, 2013 at 11:58 am)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 11:47 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Yes indeed. I have first been a part of the organisation in Germany, and took a break when I came back to Turkey. But now in the university I am once again a part of the organisation.

You do realize that the Grey Wolves were funded by America to keep out the communists? If they ever did come to power the US would not hesitate to clean up its mess & invade Turkey.

I know too many people of those times to say that its not true.
The communists in Turkey love to bring up such nonsense in order to cover up the fact that many of their prominent members received training in foreign camps, and have been fervent Soviet/China(in case for maoists) supporters, whereas we were hostile towards US intersts(capitalism) as much as we were hostile towards USSR interests(communism).
However due to the intensive polarisation that existed in world politics due to Soviet aggression, we were forced to throw in our lot with the NATO.
They(the leftards) called us "statists" as much as the anarchists today use the word, they too were as such. They were known to rob banks and kidnap people. We on the other hand have both fought the communist sympathizers within the state, and the communists on the streets and universities.
The coup that came in 1980 completely eradicated communism. But they also targeted us. Many of our brethren were hanged. Some also say that this was done in order to trigger the coup. No. Without the existence of communism, why would there be need for us to fight them? It was the communist who has with its antics forced us to react. They were having dreams about driving the country into a civil war from which they would emerge victorious and establish their communist state, just as with all communist revolutions, they were going to spill the blood of hundreds of thousands of people.
We only killed very little in comparison of what they had in mind, and we only killed those who have been known to killed our brethren, or attacked policemen, soldiers and/or other civil servants.
Still, our organisation survived, whereas the communists died out. Their existence is only marked by a few fringe groups now, not worthy of attention, so they joined the Kurdish terrorists or became "social-democrats".
As an organisation, we have never directly received monetary funding from the US in any way, whereas the government did, obviously, but it was done in almost any country that faced any forms of communist threat at the time. Thankfully, those times are over, and we can direct our attention to the other enemy, liberal capitalism and cosmopolitanism.

As for the US, they cannot even clean up Afghanistan, which was their mess, they're planning to pull out. The US can only do one thing right, which is to fight proxy wars, which is why they won the cold war. But they do not have the will and national integrity to support a real war against anyone.
America will eventualy fall on its own, just like the Soviet Union.
Globalist, internationalist ideologies like Capitalism and Communism are systems that are destined to fail.

(December 29, 2013 at 10:46 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: You can't hurt us, no. We existed without your assistance, and we certainly aren't going to get hurt with your snarls.
And when our unity is complete, then you will taste true fear as you did when the Huns, the Seljuks, Avars and the Ottomans have ventured through your lands as we were going to a picnic.

Your wonderful Islamic society has proven so resistant to technological advancement you should be more grateful to the rest of the world for doing it for you. We have nothing to fear from you, united or not. Your combined military and cultural power pales in comparison to the US alone, not to even mention Europe. To be quite blunt about it, if we wanted you dead, you would be.

(December 29, 2013 at 12:25 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 11:58 am)MarxRaptor Wrote: You do realize that the Grey Wolves were funded by America to keep out the communists? If they ever did come to power the US would not hesitate to clean up its mess & invade Turkey.

I know too many people of those times to say that its not true.
The communists in Turkey love to bring up such nonsense in order to cover up the fact that many of their prominent members received training in foreign camps, and have been fervent Soviet/China(in case for maoists) supporters, whereas we were hostile towards US intersts(capitalism) as much as we were hostile towards USSR interests(communism).
However due to the intensive polarisation that existed in world politics due to Soviet aggression, we were forced to throw in our lot with the NATO.
They(the leftards) called us "statists" as much as the anarchists today use the word, they too were as such. They were known to rob banks and kidnap people. We on the other hand have both fought the communist sympathizers within the state, and the communists on the streets and universities.
The coup that came in 1980 completely eradicated communism. But they also targeted us. Many of our brethren were hanged. Some also say that this was done in order to trigger the coup. No. Without the existence of communism, why would there be need for us to fight them? It was the communist who has with its antics forced us to react. They were having dreams about driving the country into a civil war from which they would emerge victorious and establish their communist state, just as with all communist revolutions, they were going to spill the blood of hundreds of thousands of people.
We only killed very little in comparison of what they had in mind, and we only killed those who have been known to killed our brethren, or attacked policemen, soldiers and/or other civil servants.
Still, our organisation survived, whereas the communists died out. Their existence is only marked by a few fringe groups now, not worthy of attention, so they joined the Kurdish terrorists or became "social-democrats".
As an organisation, we have never directly received monetary funding from the US in any way, whereas the government did, obviously, but it was done in almost any country that faced any forms of communist threat at the time. Thankfully, those times are over, and we can direct our attention to the other enemy, liberal capitalism and cosmopolitanism.

As for the US, they cannot even clean up Afghanistan, which was their mess, they're planning to pull out. The US can only do one thing right, which is to fight proxy wars, which is why they won the cold war. But they do not have the will and national integrity to support a real war against anyone.
America will eventualy fall on its own, just like the Soviet Union.
Globalist, internationalist ideologies like Capitalism and Communism are systems that are destined to fail.

Globalist international ideologies are the only ones that work. The nation must inevitability be subjugated to international interests in the name of progress.

(December 29, 2013 at 12:29 pm)_xenu_ Wrote:

(December 29, 2013 at 10:46 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: You can't hurt us, no. We existed without your assistance, and we certainly aren't going to get hurt with your snarls.
And when our unity is complete, then you will taste true fear as you did when the Huns, the Seljuks, Avars and the Ottomans have ventured through your lands as we were going to a picnic.

Your wonderful Islamic society has proven so resistant to technological advancement you should be more grateful to the rest of the world for doing it for you. We have nothing to fear from you, united or not. Your combined military and cultural power pales in comparison to the US alone, not to even mention Europe. To be quite blunt about it, if we wanted you dead, you would be.

Well you sure do have a lot of trinkets, true.
But it looks as though none of your trinkets won you the war in Vietnam, neither in Afghanistan.
We Turks are a people that have a great deal of history behind us. This gives us power and the courage advance. We have not been resistant to technology. It was just the fact that we didn't need technology because we were rather well off during the time of the Empire. We enjoyed every form of luxury that inspired the Western artists to become orientalists.
Of course, later on, laxity proved to have very serious repercussions, as we have briefly detached ourselves from the iron-willed discipline of our ancestors.

And the west wanted us dead for several times in succession-countless numbers of crusades aimed to relieve your precious "Constantinople", and your attempts of driving us back to Asia during WWI when it was deemed to be possible, failed.
What makes you think that you could do the same now? Why don't you come and retake what you once thought was an inseperable part of the Western-Christian civilisation?
Come on and rescue the lands of your brothers if you are trust yourselves that much. But since you're now emasculated to a degree of massive, I really don't think that you're capable of even putting up a fight without facing massive internal whining from your liberal overlords. The west is weaker than ever-materialism runs rampart, and everyone is somehow discontent with what they have. Lazy and preoccupied with their base desires, they are very much like pigs that are fattening only to be slaughtered.

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Quote:Globalist international ideologies are the only ones that work. The nation must inevitability be subjugated to international interests in the name of progress.

In the name of progress of whom? And subjugated by whom?
And what are the international interests that you speak of?
Stopping global warming? Fighting an alien invasion?
I don't think that internationalism is a sincere worldview. It does not take into consideration the various parameters that are relevant to human society.

This has gone way off topic

(December 29, 2013 at 1:22 pm)pop_punks_not_dead Wrote: This has gone way off topic

We were discussing root causes of the topic.