(January 6, 2014 at 7:01 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(January 6, 2014 at 5:52 am)Bunny Wrote: Yeah uhhh Nora? I'm a girl and I was horrified methinks bigger warning is warranted next time mmmk?

*gags

What? That's nothing. I was in the shower once and suddenly got a sharp pain and felt a strong desire to push. I kinda squatted down and this nasty beast twice the size of the thing in the second pic dropped out of me. So I have no sympathy for your horror! I gave ample warning!

Yeah but on the other hand men have to SHAVE! So I don't know why you girls are always complaining!

[ducks]...

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One of the finest and funniest youtube videos out there. Apparently someone wrote on bodyforms Facebook page complaining that the adverts shown on TV for ladies sanitary products did not prepare him for the grim reality.

Bodyform in a move of epic win, made this video as a response. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGyOkgc...ata_player

(January 6, 2014 at 1:04 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It would look like any of these. Any of them at all, especially since you're proposing a genetically distinct branch of mankind that doesn't have commonalities with earlier ape species, one would see that reflected in the fossil record, would you not?

Read what i said again. I have repeatedly stated that Ape man, and man made in the image of God are genetically identical. The only difference is man made in the image of God is man with a soul. So again what does 'proof' of a soul look like?

Quote:What I also find interesting is that you've essentially admitted that you have no evidence, and yet you believe this anyway, which makes it... just a bunch of stuff you made up! Thanks for admitting it.

I did no such thing. I stated that if you do not know what your looking for how will you know if what I have is proof or not?

Quote:I also asked for biblical references to it, beyond ad hoc "It doesn't say it didn't happen!" handwaving... which you also failed to even acknowledge I asked for.

Bible reference to what that the garden was created apart from the rest of the planet? Genesis 2 is a record of the Garden and everything in it being completed some time on day 3. This work does not correspond to everything else. (That is why there are appearent contradictions between gen 1 and gen 2.)

(January 6, 2014 at 1:16 pm)Drich Wrote: Read what i said again. I have repeatedly stated that Ape man, and man made in the image of God are genetically identical. The only difference is man made in the image of God is man with a soul. So again what does 'proof' of a soul look like?

Congratulations: you've made yet another of your views unfalsifiable, and therefore rationally unjustified. That doesn't make you right: it just means you believe something you have no good reason to. Yay for you.

Quote:I did no such thing. I stated that if you do not know what your looking for how will you know if what I have is proof or not?

Well, what convinced you that this is true? I mean, surely you don't think I'm any more rational than you are, so logically speaking any real evidence that you've found would convince me too.

Besides, it's not up to me to prove your claim wrong; you have the burden of proof here, I just pointed out that you haven't fulfilled it, yet still somehow classify your idea as an explanation.

Quote:Bible reference to what that the garden was created apart from the rest of the planet? Genesis 2 is a record of the Garden and everything in it being completed some time on day 3. This work does not correspond to everything else. (That is why there are appearent contradictions between gen 1 and gen 2.)

So, just the usual vague generalities and spin, then? More desperate covering over contraditions? Excuse me if I'm not immediately convinced.

(January 6, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Like a pile of shit cooked up by someone who is desperately struggling to make the real world appear compatible with the narrow scope of his deluded fantasies.

Why are you asking us what it looks like?

Because if you do not have an idea of what you are looking for then how will you know when it is presented. Would you help someone look for a lost dog if that person can not describe the dog? Not unless your an idiot. If you can not tell me what your dog looks like then I can't help you find it.

Quote:This is your theory. Show me a garden being guarded by an angel with a flaming sword, for starters.

The Garden needed an attendant according to Gen 2 (adam) The addendant is gone so too is the lush green garden. Flaming sword signifies heat so we are looking for some place hot, we know where 2 of the four rivers mentioned are (iraq) What is a massive tract of land in iraq that is very hot that could have facilitated this garden? the desert.

What evidence is there of a very long lasting (perhaps millions if not billions of year) deposit of bio matter located under the sands of the desert in that region?

Oil.

The very rich deposit of oil readily accessiable under the sands of the desert in that region signify a very large very old source of bio matter that was once there. The ease and accessiablity signify that geologicaly speaking that deposit is or was fairly new.

So what evidence that there was a garden of eden?

The known locations of 2 of the 4 rivers mentioned in genesis. the desert sands keeping anyone from entering it. the vast oil fields located under the desert that show there was one a tremoundous thriving biological source for all of this oil. The lack of any fosslisized remains in this area.
(Get a map and do some research before you give me a chance to make you look foolish. I did not say in dinosaurs were not found in iraq period. I said dinsaurs remains were never found in the purposed garden area.)

Quote:Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

Actually He first died the very day He ate the forbidden fruit, or rather his immortality ended that day. He began a new life when he left the garden. How do we know Adam and Eve were immoratal? Because right next to the tree of knoweledge was the tree of life. Of which they could freely eat. (Which in Gen 3 was the reason they were expelled from the garden) God did not want those two eating from the tree any more. (becomming immortal again.) So they were expelled for that reason. Meaning while they were in the garden they were immortal. Adam's recorded life span was the time he was given in this life.

(January 6, 2014 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: What does evidence for two people living for millions if not billions of years and having died 6000 years ago look like?

If you don't know then how will you know what I can provide is evidence or not?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMXYE_50Ts

These statements together assume that people can have no ability to interpret data (clearly demonstrated by you) which is aimed at people who can interpret data, please provide some legitimate data for your claims, and not just claims to support your claims just as you consistently do throughout this thread.

In order to interpret data one must first be able to identify it. I am simply asking you to provide parameters you need to identify data.

The timing of your last post suggests you have a narrow world view of what data actually is (it has to be pre digested and put in a very certain format otherwise you seem to have difficulty in identifying it if it is not in the predigested form you have come to expect data to be presented in. One of your peers has been able to describe the parmeters he was looking for and i have been able to meet his request. If you would like specific data i simply need the format in which are able to process this information. If any form was acceptable then you would have been able to identify and address what has already been written.

Well erma gerd

It's seems as you don't know what this evidence doesn't look like, I've obviously stated earlier that I have no clue WHAT it looks like because it's never been presented in front of my face. All I was asking was for you was to apply your "critical thinking" brain and show me the evidence that already had for this your claim, not another claim. But you obviously didn't have evidence nor could you find evidence, could you Drich? Well assuming you were a rational human being who could deduce things correctly, you would have deduced the evidence I wanted see regarding the validation of your claim. (that Adam's children reflected the evolutionary processes of man) this could be evidence such as fossil records, or holy shit, no really, fossilized fecal matter of these people that could serve as evidence for their existence which would give lea way to your theory. Or best of all, some genetic evidence would be FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. But wait, you don't know what these look like do you Drich. Or can you not apply your brain and say "hey this form of evidence is exactly what I need to validate my theory"! Which by the way is exactly what any person does who is hot and horny over their "flawless" theory. I mean shit Drich, you have one hell of a theory here that obviously seems to work because nobody here can argue with it. It has super high chances of being bullet-proof. So please do humanity a favor and take your theory to conferences among hundreds of the worlds most revered scholars because after all you do hold the theory that explains Human origins, right down to the last grain of salt. Oh! And do please don't forget your evidence. You will need that if you are going to go far with this superb and awesome theory of yours.

(January 3, 2014 at 11:57 pm)Belac Enrobso Wrote: Any opinions on Eve in genesis of the bible?

She did take the first bite of the apple, which led to the eternal cursing of mankind.

She also gave birth to three sons, just sons.

Any opinions, comments, concerns?

I'd like to hear them!

Most atheists became that way because of stupid stories like these. God running into the garden of Eden yelling "Adam Adam where are thou?" You know like when you play the fool with a 4 year old kid, he's right in front of you but you turn right and left and say where are you? And so you play the fool and the child is having a good laugh.

Then Adam heard God's footsteps in the garden, BAAAM BAAM BAAM, you know, king kong was coming.

Then God asks Adam what are you hiding from me...Adam says nothing, God says why you hide your genitals, suddenly you are aware of it so you must have eaten the forbidden fruit. Then Adam says nah, it's the woman...the WOOOOMAN, if thou not givest me a woman I would not be in trouble. She made me do it.

(January 6, 2014 at 5:06 pm)Drich Wrote: In order to interpret data one must first be able to identify it. I am simply asking you to provide parameters you need to identify data.

And I told you: whatever convinced you, if you're a rational being and approaching this honestly, would be sufficient to convince me.

But you're not being rational about this, I suspect. In fact, I have almost no doubt that what actually convinced you was that you wanted to square a literal interpretation of the bible with known scientific facts, and so you invented desperately until such a thing existed.

That's why you're so unwilling to tell us what evidence convinced you. If that's not the case, what is it that's stopping you?

(January 6, 2014 at 1:08 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

(January 6, 2014 at 7:01 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: What? That's nothing. I was in the shower once and suddenly got a sharp pain and felt a strong desire to push. I kinda squatted down and this nasty beast twice the size of the thing in the second pic dropped out of me. So I have no sympathy for your horror! I gave ample warning!

Yeah but on the other hand men have to SHAVE! So I don't know why you girls are always complaining!

[ducks]...

Y-you poor whittled thwings, havin to shave those stubbly little faces? D'awwww
Go shave or wax your legs, toes, fingers, arms, under arms, eyebrows, and (for some) upper lipstick and ears and private parts, then get back to me about complaining. Mmk?

Nora.. what did the doctor say?

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Drich, your timeline doesn't match up with reality. Oil doesn't form from biological matter in just 6k years nor was the sand atop it accumulated in such little amounts of time. What's more is you haven't provided any evidence for a worldwide flood even if it happened as you claim it did. What's more, scientists have already debunked your version of a flood already. The world would not have survived as it is now, with a flood like that. Also, I merely need to go to the local fossil shop to see the extent of oceanic fossils sitting atop the rocky mountains, and I guarantee those formed over more than a year . I posted the Smithsonian link because even to a layman such as myself, you really can't mistake the biological, archaeological, and DNA evidence that shows just how mankind came to form itself. As for having souls, well, arguments without evidence are just as easily discarded as they are made up. I could say that all humans have memories of their ancestors stored within them but unless I have PROOF for such a claim, why would I expect you to believe me?
I on the other hand, have yet to see anything but bare assertions from you on this matter and I'm disappointed, considering it was once a pivotal reason for me to drop my faitg--because the Bible has been tried and found in such critical error, even when its tested out based upon what it asserts. Do you really think that all the DNA evidence showing exactly where humanity evolved from, supports in any way a garden full of magically poofed human beings with souls who then mated with monkeymen? I mean, really?