And the bible will tell you that everyone has inherent knowledge of Yahweh. I'll agree that cultures throughout history have believed in powerful supernatural forces, but they weren't just one person. Vishnu's teachings are not Zeus' teachings are not Odin's teachings, are not Osiris' teachings, are not Yahweh's teachings. All of them had the same claim to existence, and none of them have concrete proof.

(January 11, 2014 at 8:51 am)JustinGG Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 2:05 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes, anyone found with sin in their life deserve it or God wouldn't have made hell. Satan and the angels were the first to sin and God made hell for those guilty of sin, so people who are found with sin have there place there. You have a great misunderstanding of hell many post on this subject exist here and the answers are there, we've done this thing to death.

GC

So, I take it you're free from sin? So why do we deserve hell, while you deserve heaven?

Hey GC, if someone u love, is or becomes an atheist... do u think they deserve hell??

(January 11, 2014 at 9:16 am)Chas Wrote: Oh, goody. Another ridiculous discussion about the unknowable attributes of an imaginary entity by people who should really know better.

After this, can we get back to the important question of the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin?

well, thesse are atheist forums

We all deserve hell. Everybody has fallen short of God's glory and by rejecting and ultimate good we endorse and become ultimitly evil. Accepting Jesus into your heart is the only cure to heal our sinful souls.

Yahweh's glory doesn't really seem all that great. Anyone who encourages slavery and genocide, and condones rape, is not exactly a paragon of virtue. He thinks we all deserve hell because we don't worship him enough. He's just a narcissist that throws his weight around because nobody can do anything about it. Saying that he loves us is just adding insult to injury, because his actions don't reflect an attempt at a healthy relationship.

Where exactly have I fallen short, compared to him, anyway?

(January 11, 2014 at 8:26 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yahweh's glory doesn't really seem all that great. Anyone who encourages slavery and genocide, and condones rape, is not exactly a paragon of virtue. He thinks we all deserve hell because we don't worship him enough. He's just a narcissist that throws his weight around because nobody can do anything about it. Saying that he loves us is just adding insult to injury, because his actions don't reflect an attempt at a healthy relationship.

You are using flawed human concepts of goodness and evil. The Lord as revealed in scripture gave us the opportunity for perict goodness but we rejected it and thus are broken.

Why do christians say exactly the same stuff.. word for word.. now I know that they dont read the bible... they are told everything..

'Sinnersburninhell Wrote:The Lord as revealed in scripture...

There's you're problem right there.
Remove scripture and you're left with nothing.

Think about how scripture for made... Think that those people didn't have scripture to tell them about any god...
Think, McFly, think!

"Hell" is a state of being.

These human concepts of good and evil are all we have. the bible even says Yahweh is incomprehensible, which means we can't understand him, and also means he can't be trusted. You can't trust something you don't know, including claims of being perfect and always right. Or good. Or anything. He's just a thing that may or may not exist, that may or may not have inspired people to write stories about him. Some of which have been told before in other cultures.

So yes, all I have to go on is human understanding. Yes, humans are flawed. Too bad. That's all we have. Including a book of stories that claim to be divinely inspired by people that lived long ago. Amongst other books, speaking of other gods, that are older than the torah.

Don't you think it's kind of suspicious that this divinely inspired morality seems to coincide a lot with views that were commonly held at the time? Most people nowadays don't think highly of people going into a town to slaughter everyone but the virgins because of differing beliefs, then marrying and raping the virgins afterwards. Or something as simple as polygamy, which was the most common form of marriage in the bible.