(January 27, 2014 at 12:05 am)Drich Wrote: No points will be deducted for SEEKING. If we could just get you to ask and knock then maybe we would be getting somewhere.

You just don't get it do you...
You are the exact same as the ancient Mayan man worshiping Ah-Puch. We're not asking or knocking for him either. You just can't get it through your head can you. Jehovah is Ah-Puch. Zeus is Allah. Ra is Thor. They're all the same thing: a creation of the primitive human mind. In the ancient past, you would've been the gullible Puchtard ranting on about how the non-believers in the next hut over were foolish sinners bound for Mitnal (Mayan hell - Yep, your hell is no more unique than your phony god either).

(January 27, 2014 at 1:49 am)Cinjin Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 12:05 am)Drich Wrote: No points will be deducted for SEEKING. If we could just get you to ask and knock then maybe we would be getting somewhere.

You just don't get it do you...
You are the exact same as the ancient Mayan man worshiping Ah-Puch. We're not asking or knocking for him either. You just can't get it through your head can you. Jehovah is Ah-Puch. Zeus is Allah. Ra is Thor. They're all the same thing: a creation of the primitive human mind. In the ancient past, you would've been the gullible Puchtard ranting on about how the non-believers in the next hut over were foolish sinners bound for Mitnal (Mayan hell - Yep, your hell is no more unique than your phony god either).

twit

There is one major difference between the gods you mention and the God of the bible. We don't discuss them or worship them anymore. They are dead. Or is it because they are dead we do not discuss them anymore? The God of the bible has remained revelant for 5000 years for one reason. People know He is alive because He connects with them, not because the bible said so. What do you think people did for the thousands of years where they did not have personal access to the bible?

(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: What do you think people did for the thousands of years where they did not have personal access to the bible?

They worshiped Hindu gods.

(January 27, 2014 at 12:12 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: What do you think people did for the thousands of years where they did not have personal access to the bible?

They worshiped Hindu gods.

Actually i was talking about when people in Judaism and in Christianity worshiped the God of the bible, but did not actually own a copy for themselves. When there may have been one copy or even just parts of the bible avaiable for an entire region.

The religions to which those mentioned deities belong, may not be actively worshiped currently, primarily due to the fact that christians killed all the worshipers. If you believe this is a valid means of killing off a deity you're saying that al'Quaeda is doing the right thing. So far as I can see this doesn't actually amount to a valid argument against any of the mentioned deities.
Also you're factually incorrect on your dates. The people who were to become Jews worshiped El, Asherah, Ba'al, Yam, Mot, Anat, Athirat, Athtart, Attar, Baalat, Dagon, Eshmun, Ishat, Kotharat, Kothar-wa-Khassis, Lotan, Marquod, Melqart, Molech, Nikkal-wa-lb, Qadeshtu, Resheph, Shachar, Shelim, Shamayim, Shapash, Yaw, Sydyk and Yarikh, until Ezra invented monotheism around 450BC.

(January 27, 2014 at 1:46 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: The religions to which those mentioned deities belong, may not be actively worshiped currently, primarily due to the fact that christians killed all the worshipers. If you believe this is a valid means of killing off a deity you're saying that al'Quaeda is doing the right thing. So far as I can see this doesn't actually amount to a valid argument against any of the mentioned deities.
Also you're factually incorrect on your dates. The people who were to become Jews worshiped El, Asherah, Ba'al, Yam, Mot, Anat, Athirat, Athtart, Attar, Baalat, Dagon, Eshmun, Ishat, Kotharat, Kothar-wa-Khassis, Lotan, Marquod, Melqart, Molech, Nikkal-wa-lb, Qadeshtu, Resheph, Shachar, Shelim, Shamayim, Shapash, Yaw, Sydyk and Yarikh, until Ezra invented monotheism around 450BC.

Shhhhh..... You're using facts and logic. Don't do that. It'll just confuse him.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: There is one major difference between the gods you mention and the God of the bible. We don't discuss them or worship them anymore. They are dead. Or is it because they are dead we do not discuss them anymore? The God of the bible has remained revelant for 5000 years for one reason. People know He is alive because He connects with them, not because the bible said so. What do you think people did for the thousands of years where they did not have personal access to the bible?

We know God is real because his followers kill and suppress rivals more thoroughly than the followers of other gods.

Reading between the lines is fun.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: There is one major difference between the gods you mention and the God of the bible. We don't discuss them or worship them anymore. They are dead. Or is it because they are dead we do not discuss them anymore? The God of the bible has remained revelant for 5000 years for one reason. People know He is alive because He connects with them, not because the bible said so. What do you think people did for the thousands of years where they did not have personal access to the bible?

oh, bull shit

#1, the present form of your god hasn't existed for 5000 years. A simple Google search will tell you that:

A well-documented Wikipedia page with multiple sources Wrote:At a later period Yahweh functioned as the dynastic cult (the god of the royal house),[4] the royal courts promoting him as the supreme god over all others in the pantheon, notably Baal, El, and Asherah (the last of whom may have been his consort).[5] Over time Yahwism became increasingly intolerant of rivals, and the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as God of the entire cosmos...

...With the work of Second Isaiah (the theoretical author of the second part of the Book of Isaiah) towards the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and true God of all the world.

Nothing new there, but it shows yet again that your god is just like all the rest - morphing into something new over time; validating my original point.

(January 27, 2014 at 1:46 pm)Mr Greene Wrote:

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The religions to which those mentioned deities belong, may not be actively worshiped currently, primarily due to the fact that christians killed all the worshipers. If you believe this is a valid means of killing off a deity you're saying that al'Quaeda is doing the right thing. So far as I can see this doesn't actually amount to a valid argument against any of the mentioned deities.
Also you're factually incorrect on your dates. The people who were to become Jews worshiped El, Asherah, Ba'al, Yam, Mot, Anat, Athirat, Athtart, Attar, Baalat, Dagon, Eshmun, Ishat, Kotharat, Kothar-wa-Khassis, Lotan, Marquod, Melqart, Molech, Nikkal-wa-lb, Qadeshtu, Resheph, Shachar, Shelim, Shamayim, Shapash, Yaw, Sydyk and Yarikh, until Ezra invented monotheism around 450BC.

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#2, Mr. Greene beat me to the punch, but the point is Drich, that you don't have a point to make when it is your filthy religion that often caused the demise of those gods by killing off thousands, if not millions of innocent people who simply wished to serve their own phony god rather than your phony god.



#3, Reading the words of dead primitives and having one-sided conversations on your knees does not warrant a personal relationship with anything. It just means you're a gullible dolt. Ah-Puch is Jehovah. Admittedly, your god had a good run, but 200 years from now, the only people who will be worshiping that deity will be the fucktards who haven't yet studied history and accepted the fact that the religions of the world are just stupid.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: There is one major difference between the gods you mention and the God of the bible. We don't discuss them or worship them anymore. They are dead. Or is it because they are dead we do not discuss them anymore? The God of the bible has remained revelant for 5000 years for one reason. People know He is alive because He connects with them, not because the bible said so. What do you think people did for the thousands of years where they did not have personal access to the bible?

I see: and has the popularity of an idea always determined its truth value, or just when it's convenient to you?

Hypothetical: In ten thousand years' time, christianity is just as dead as those past religions. You go there in a time machine. Do you then conclude, as you have with these past gods, that your god must not be real as he's ceased to be worshiped, or do you continue to believe?

If it's the former, there's clearly no factual basis to your worship now, just popularity. If it's the latter, you've discarded your own argument and fallen victim to special pleading.

(January 27, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Cinjin Wrote: oh, bull shit

#1, the present form of your god hasn't existed for 5000 years. A simple Google search will tell you that:

A well-documented Wikipedia page with multiple sources Wrote:At a later period Yahweh functioned as the dynastic cult (the god of the royal house),[4] the royal courts promoting him as the supreme god over all others in the pantheon, notably Baal, El, and Asherah (the last of whom may have been his consort).[5] Over time Yahwism became increasingly intolerant of rivals, and the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as God of the entire cosmos...

...With the work of Second Isaiah (the theoretical author of the second part of the Book of Isaiah) towards the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and true God of all the world.

Nothing new there, but it shows yet again that your god is just like all the rest - morphing into something new over time; validating my original point.

By the sounds of it and your reference to a 'well documented wiki page' nothing I can say or make reference to will change your mind.

Quote:#3, Reading the words of dead primitives and having one-sided conversations on your knees does not warrant a personal relationship with anything.

is this what happened to you? Is this how you tried and what happened?

Quote:It just means you're a gullible dolt. Ah-Puch is Jehovah. Admittedly, your god had a good run, but 200 years from now, the only people who will be worshiping that deity will be the fucktards who haven't yet studied history and accepted the fact that the religions of the world are just stupid.

No matter who is right in our little back and forth in 100 years it won't matter very much to either of us.