(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: There is one major difference between the gods you mention and the God of the bible. We don't discuss them or worship them anymore. They are dead.

All the gods created by men eventually find their way into myth. The Christian god is not exempt from that, for he too will one day be known worldwide as myth when man finds something else or another deity to worship.

The fact that every culture already views the deities of other cultures as not real shows to the sane, non-believer that none of them are real.

(January 27, 2014 at 10:35 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I see: and has the popularity of an idea always determined its truth value, or just when it's convenient to you?

It's not what is popular it is the why that determines truth value to me.

Quote:Hypothetical: In ten thousand years' time, christianity is just as dead as those past religions. You go there in a time machine. Do you then conclude, as you have with these past gods, that your god must not be real as he's ceased to be worshiped, or do you continue to believe?

I guess it would depend heavily on why Christianity is dead.

Quote:If it's the former, there's clearly no factual basis to your worship now, just popularity. If it's the latter, you've discarded your own argument and fallen victim to special pleading.

Or option 3 Christianity will be gone because we have used up ALL of the resources of this planet and we have moved on or we are extinct.

Option 4 in 10,000 years time man blew himself up or the zombies came and wiped everyone out and God started over again, or even a few different times, and we are not up to the Christianity part of this reboot. (Kinda hard to expect next gen from Abrams when he is still working through TOS)

Option 5 (this is the one I see) in a hundred years christianity continues to shun 'science' to the point where our kids are made to choose between a philosophy that brings them inter webs, cellular telephones, the face books, and puts chinamen on the moon. Verses something faith based that takes a life time to work through. (They are taught to expect everything now, and do not have the tools or inclination to put the time in.) unless we change modern Christianity will become like the Quakers, Amish, al quida, Hasidic Jews etc.. A people frozen in time.

Then it will be up to God to decide whether or not the cup of mans enquiry has been filled. If so, then we will be well past the second coming in 10,000 years.

That is why I work on things like my evolution/creationism thread. If we can maintain the church there is hope for man. Like with sodom and glamorah even if there are just a hand full of 'good men' God will spare the rest. Kill of the church, and we will see who is right rather quickly.

(January 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Drich Wrote: I guess it would depend heavily on why Christianity is dead.

For the same reason all those other religions died out.

Quote:Option 5 (this is the one I see) in a hundred years christianity continues to shun 'science' to the point where our kids are made to choose between a philosophy that brings them inter webs, cellular telephones, the face books, and puts chinamen on the moon. Verses something faith based that takes a life time to work through. (They are taught to expect everything now, and do not have the tools or inclination to put the time in.) unless we change modern Christianity will become like the Quakers, Amish, al quida, Hasidic Jews etc.. A people frozen in time.

Then it will be up to God to decide whether or not the cup of mans enquiry has been filled. If so, then we will be well past the second coming in 10,000 years.

That is why I work on things like my evolution/creationism thread. If we can maintain the church there is hope for man. Like with sodom and glamorah even if there are just a hand full of 'good men' God will spare the rest. Kill of the church, and we will see who is right rather quickly.

So, what I'm hearing is that, no matter what science discovers, you'll be there to retrofit your religion into that, rather than just admitting that it's wrong?

(January 28, 2014 at 12:19 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Drich Wrote: I guess it would depend heavily on why Christianity is dead.

For the same reason all those other religions died out.

Quote:Option 5 (this is the one I see) in a hundred years christianity continues to shun 'science' to the point where our kids are made to choose between a philosophy that brings them inter webs, cellular telephones, the face books, and puts chinamen on the moon. Verses something faith based that takes a life time to work through. (They are taught to expect everything now, and do not have the tools or inclination to put the time in.) unless we change modern Christianity will become like the Quakers, Amish, al quida, Hasidic Jews etc.. A people frozen in time.

Then it will be up to God to decide whether or not the cup of mans enquiry has been filled. If so, then we will be well past the second coming in 10,000 years.

That is why I work on things like my evolution/creationism thread. If we can maintain the church there is hope for man. Like with sodom and glamorah even if there are just a hand full of 'good men' God will spare the rest. Kill of the church, and we will see who is right rather quickly.

So, what I'm hearing is that, no matter what science discovers, you'll be there to retrofit your religion into that, rather than just admitting that it's wrong?

Science is our explanation of how God works. The idea that God has to or rather can only move and act by circumventing science and nature is dark age foolishness.

In my 12/21/12 thread I made a prediction that 'science' was going to actually discover God, but not really. They were going to discover an alternate universe, and it's transdemensional beings are what we identified as God and his angels...

If you think about it that is exactly what God is a transdemensional being. That doesn't mean just because we can put a label on Him He is any less God.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7603333/ I thought I did a 12/21 thread here but guess not.

(January 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Drich Wrote: chinamen

Quote:sodom and glamorah

You have to be fucking kidding me. Often, I think to myself, "Drich has GOT to be a Poe." This is one of those times.

(January 28, 2014 at 11:33 am)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Drich Wrote: chinamen

Quote:sodom and glamorah

You have to be fucking kidding me. Often, I think to myself, "Drich has GOT to be a Poe." This is one of those times.

why? because Christians can't have a sense of humor?

(January 27, 2014 at 11:38 pm)Drich Wrote: By the sounds of it and your reference to a 'well documented wiki page' nothing I can say or make reference to will change your mind.

Translated, this is what you actually are saying:
"I have nothing to combat the actual true history of Yahweh so instead I'm going to attempt to make it appear that I'm simply dismissing your argument due to an implied lack of evidence."

Drich Wrote:

Cinjin Wrote:#3, Reading the words of dead primitives and having one-sided conversations on your knees does not warrant a personal relationship with anything.

is this what happened to you? Is this how you tried and what happened?

Uh yeah duh. This is what happens to ALL christians. Even the most devout of christards will usually admit that god has never audibly spoken to them.

Drich Wrote:

Cinjin Wrote:Admittedly, your god had a good run, but 200 years from now, the only people who will be worshiping that deity will be the fucktards who haven't yet studied history and accepted the fact that the religions of the world are just stupid.

No matter who is right in our little back and forth in 100 years it won't matter very much to either of us.

It most certainly matters a great deal to me right now. It is I and the good people of these forums that are laying the groundwork for putting an end to the disease of christianity. We are fighting the good fight against the evil that you promote. Perhaps if my ancestors had figured it out 400 years ago, I would be free of half-wits like you. It matters. If we all did nothing we might very well have another 2000 years of the lies and immorality your religion brings.

Quote:I thought I did a 12/21 thread here but guess not.

Yeah.... I would have remembered a steaming pile of shit like that!

(January 28, 2014 at 8:56 am)Drich Wrote: Science is our explanation of how God works. The idea that God has to or rather can only move and act by circumventing science and nature is dark age foolishness.

And do you think that rendering your god completely unfalsifiable, bar your equally unfalsifiable A/S/K joke, somehow makes your position more rational?

(January 28, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I thought I did a 12/21 thread here but guess not.

Yeah.... I would have remembered a steaming pile of shit like that!

What about out 8 discussions of the city of tyre? Seems to me that each time someone brings up that city you march out the same arguement that I have stomped on each and every time.