(January 31, 2014 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: without God, there would be nothing; no matter, energy, information.

Why?

(January 31, 2014 at 6:18 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(January 31, 2014 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: without God, there would be nothing; no matter, energy, information.

Why?

Why x2

(January 31, 2014 at 6:26 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(January 31, 2014 at 6:18 pm)Alex K Wrote: Why?

Why x2

Why not?

(January 31, 2014 at 6:18 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(January 31, 2014 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: without God, there would be nothing; no matter, energy, information.

Why?

according to the prevailing scientific model of cosmology, the space-time-matter-energy U. had a distinct and singular beginning about 13.75 billion years ago; therefore it is a contingent reality (dependents upon something for it's existence, why? because it had a beginning); God is the logically necessary being that explains why all the contingent realities of the universe have existence.

Because they're having a categorical error of semantics. He says "God" we say " universe". When you interchange them, it's easy to see we're on the same page. God-guy has just not yet figured out that God, by itself, has no meaning unless it's defined as "universe". There is no distinct difference that sets his deity apart from fantasy otherwise. What do you mean my parents ARE Santa?!!! You just shattered my God Universe!

(January 31, 2014 at 8:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote: according to the prevailing scientific model of cosmology, the space-time-matter-energy U. had a distinct and singular beginning about 13.75 billion years ago; therefore it is a contingent reality (dependents upon something for it's existence, why? because it had a beginning); God is the logically necessary being that explains why all the contingent realities of the universe have existence.

What explains God's existence?

Oh. Sidetracks.. ur way off..

(January 31, 2014 at 8:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote: according to the prevailing scientific model of cosmology, the space-time-matter-energy U. had a distinct and singular beginning about 13.75 billion years ago; therefore it is a contingent reality (dependents upon something for it's existence, why? because it had a beginning); God is the logically necessary being that explains why all the contingent realities of the universe have existence.

And here's where the fact that earlier in this thread you began ignoring me, because you couldn't respond, comes back to bite you in the ass. According to the prevailing cosmological theory, 13.81 billion years ago there was an inflation of the universe. What the state of the universe was prior to that is neither known at the moment, nor addressed cogently by any cosmological theory I'm aware of. The conclusion of the Borde-Guth-Vilenkhin theorem is that we need "new physics to describe the universe prior to the inflation". No cosmological theory says there was NOTHING before the Big Bang inflation event you lying prick. It was NOT the start of existence, physical or otherwise, and what cosmological theories currently say is that in fact no matter and energy was created at that time.

Please, learn your cosmology and quit sipping down the mental ejaculation from religious apologists.

(January 31, 2014 at 9:31 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:

(January 31, 2014 at 8:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote: according to the prevailing scientific model of cosmology, the space-time-matter-energy U. had a distinct and singular beginning about 13.75 billion years ago; therefore it is a contingent reality (dependents upon something for it's existence, why? because it had a beginning); God is the logically necessary being that explains why all the contingent realities of the universe have existence.

And here's where the fact that earlier in this thread you began ignoring me, because you couldn't respond, comes back to bite you in the ass. According to the prevailing cosmological theory, 13.81 billion years ago there was an inflation of the universe. What the state of the universe was prior to that is neither known at the moment, nor addressed cogently by any cosmological theory I'm aware of. The conclusion of the Borde-Guth-Vilenkhin theorem is that we need "new physics to describe the universe prior to the inflation". No cosmological theory says there was NOTHING before the Big Bang inflation event you lying prick. It was NOT the start of existence, physical or otherwise, and what cosmological theories currently say is that in fact no matter and energy was created at that time.

Please, learn your cosmology and quit sipping down the mental ejaculation from religious apologists.

meta-physics is speculation; sci-fi doesn't fit into the discussion, but nice though.

Coming from a guy who wants desperately to nail the discussion to a god, the "sci-fi" epithet is a bit rich (to say nothing of the "speculation" bit).