(February 23, 2014 at 1:33 am)Drich Wrote:

(February 22, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I was sitting here tonight trying to think up core feature of christianity (one accapted by all denominations, except maybe mormons) that are unique. Funny thing is there really aren't any except maybe the scape goating aspect. Does anyone know any more?

Freedom from any law or list of rules as a means to righteousness.

Personal relationship with God for every member

To be welcomed as apart of the Father's house hold one day.

I would say those where the big three. I know may of you believe many if not all other religions share these qualities, but if you were to honestly look you would note they don't.

Freedom from any law or list of rules as a means to righteousness
I already granted that.

Personal relationship with God for every member
Wrong, All muslims who are righteous are promised a relationship with god in the after life and many hindu's cherish their personal relationsips with a god or multiple gods. We see that in many pagan religions as well. And rastafarians.

To be welcomed as apart of the Father's house hold one day.
If you mean heaven then, that was borrowed straight from zoroasterianism. Also featured in islam.

And Valhalla which is far cooler than drippy's boring-ass heaven where he can sit on a cloud and blow jesus all day long.

Quote:Freedom from any law or list of rules as a means to righteousness.

What about all those stupid fucking commandments that xtians keep wetting their pants over?

(February 23, 2014 at 2:03 am)Minimalist Wrote: And Valhalla which is far cooler than drippy's boring-ass heaven where he can sit on a cloud and blow jesus all day long.

Quote:Freedom from any law or list of rules as a means to righteousness.

What about all those stupid fucking commandments that xtians keep wetting their pants over?

And they too have been stolen from other religions who stole them from other religions ..... ad nauseum.

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I think I would rather be in Asgard or Valhalla any day.

Except the rule that I believe in and love the Christ. No escaping that rule. Odd to make a rule that people love someone. Very old testament.

(February 23, 2014 at 2:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I think I would rather be in Asgard or Valhalla any day.

I'm thinking the beverages will be better. Mead and ale FTW!

(February 23, 2014 at 2:21 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(February 23, 2014 at 2:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I think I would rather be in Asgard or Valhalla any day.

I'm thinking the beverages will be better. Mead and ale FTW!

Not least of all those Scandinavians!

(February 23, 2014 at 12:04 am)professor Wrote: Chad, the actual narrative was that Adam's action brought the curse, in other words, God did not actively curse the ground- Adam did.

As for not being able to do anything without Him, I don't see that at all, in fact, at the Tower of Babel, He said, nothing they can imagine will be impossible to them.
The world has gone a long ways without God. Haven't you noticed?

The blood He demanded was not for himself.

How does knowing good from evil curse the ground, or suddenly make childbirth painful? Actually I'm not even sure why knowing good from evil suddenly makes them ashamed of their bodies either.

Well he seemed to like the smell of it, and he ordered genocide all over the place. Who else would the blood be for? Presumably the people didn't have much reason to go on killing sprees except because Yahweh told them to.

(February 22, 2014 at 8:42 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: As but you see that is where you go wrong, do you even know what jesus christ means? I don't mean your interpretted bullshit I mean the actually meaning of the words. Jesus means "Helper of jehovah" and christ is a title meaning messiah. Now taking those title we find a nice number of religions that have that feature. The dionysus cult is a prime example here

The name Jesus, as found in several modern languages, is derived from the Latin Iesus, a transliteration of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iesous).[27] The Greek form is a rendition of the Aramaic ישוע‎ (Yeshua), which is derived from the Hebrew יהושע‎ (Yehoshua).[28][29] The name Yeshua appears to have been in use in Judea at the time of the birth of Jesus.....The etymology of Jesus' name in the context of the New Testament is generally given as "Yahweh is salvation".[33]

The above is courtesy of Wikipedia.

Throughout history many men have been named Jesus. I have a Hispanic friend whose name is "Jesus" even as we speak, a very dear friend of mine in fact.

And no doubt, many have referred to themselves as "Messiah" and many have believed that these "Messiahs" were of God no doubt. This is not something I wish to argue about because I agree, many men have been named Jesus and many have been called messiahs.

What I have said very plainly is that there is One Jesus of Nazareth who was called The Christ, the Son of the Living God by those who believed on Him. This man was the founder of Christianity. This is a historical fact that all but a few scholars agree upon and you can check any encyclopedia to verify this.

Chad, to borrow from Dawkins- we are working on it, I am sure we will find the answer (to the mechanics of the curse).
A slick way of saying, "I don't know".
Why they suddenly realized they were naked- the light and glory that they were enveloped in disappeared.
Note that God Himself killed animals to give them skins to wear.
This involved the shedding of blood. A foreshadow of both the Old Testament Atonement and the New Testament Redemption.
As I mentioned before, a legal issue.

God ordered the destruction upon - the genetically related offspring of the Nephilim (remember the giants?) who were completely wicked. Destruction was decreed to protect the Hebrew people and their genetic line.
The same principle was involved prior to the flood and was it's cause.

(February 23, 2014 at 10:21 am)discipulus Wrote: What I have said very plainly is that there is One Jesus of Nazareth who was called The Christ, the Son of the Living God by those who believed on Him. This man was the founder of Christianity. This is a historical fact that all but a few scholars agree upon and you can check any encyclopedia to verify this.

And would you say, then, that the core, important feature of Jesus being in that position was his name, or was it something else? Like, say, his messianic properties, which are not unique to christianity.

Because that's the question being asked, you know. And if your unique feature of christianity is "it has a dude named Jesus in it," then whoopee for you, that you had to go that specific and unimportant to find it.