(February 24, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: But I was strong! I pushed through! And I never, NEVER turned to drugs. Which totally means I can sit in judgement on people who lost children, or saw horrific things in war and couldn't adjust, or were raped and abused by people before they could understand what was even happening. Because its totally the same thing.

My opinion is that this issue is very much like others in that people appear to be stuck at the extremes when I think a moderate viewpoint is necessary. We have to be able to understand that there are contributing factors of addiction and not just declare "fuck 'em, they did this to themselves," but addicts need to take responsibility for their actions.

We need to show compassion to those who have found themselves in such a predicament, but they also need to realise that accepting personal responsibility is the first and biggest step to recovery.

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EgoRaptor Wrote:No, but anyone who has not majorly fucked up & gotten addicted is sitting in a seat of judgement to those that have.

Exactly my point. I hope when you do (and you will) majorly fuck up, not necessarily with drugs, mind you, everyone is as judgemental as you have been.

EgoRaptor Wrote:Also, you may notice I have bolded a part about people who are genetically predisposed to addiction. Let those weak individuals die off, the world will be a better place for it.

Oh, the sweet, delicious irony of an eugenics advocate that would be first on the chopping block.

I wonder how many people here have ever lost someone they cared about to drugs, some of these replies would assume that they didn't. The whole fuck em let them die approach is real easy, until that person who dies is someone that you love and will never get to see again.

(February 24, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Asimm Wrote: I wonder how many people here have ever lost someone they cared about to drugs, some of these replies would assume that they didn't...

I have. My very good friend from high school died when he was 27.

(February 24, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Asimm Wrote: I wonder how many people here have ever lost someone they cared about to drugs, some of these replies would assume that they didn't. The whole fuck em let them die approach is real easy, until that person who dies is someone that you love and will never get to see again.

Especially when that person died in front of you, whilst you begged and pleaded and wept and shouted and screamed and snarled and bargained and haggled with them.

One person said fuck em let em die. Personal life experience should not have anything to do with the argument, obviously. It just makes idiots crazy to apply their own biases to the debate.

(February 24, 2014 at 7:12 pm)Shell B Wrote: One person said fuck em let em die. Personal life experience should not have anything to do with the argument, obviously. It just makes idiots crazy to apply their own biases to the debate.

It's quite clear that people are, rule setter. I'd imagine the majority of people who have been effected negatively with drug use whether it's them or loved ones would be more empathetic to helping addicts. I'm sure the opposite could be said for the majority who greatly oppose it.

(February 24, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

EgoRaptor Wrote:Also, you may notice I have bolded a part about people who are genetically predisposed to addiction. Let those weak individuals die off, the world will be a better place for it.

Oh, the sweet, delicious irony of an eugenics advocate that would be first on the chopping block.

The best part is you have ignored that I have repeatedly stated that I opposed to coercive eugenics. I think that rather the government should offer large cash incentives to those deemed degenerate if they agree to be sterilized.

(February 24, 2014 at 7:33 pm)Asimm Wrote: It's quite clear that people are

Yes, and it is quite annoying

Quote:rule setter

Yes, because I said, "Don't do that," not "People shouldn't do that." Perceptive.

Quote:I'd imagine the majority of people who have been effected negatively with drug use whether it's them or loved ones would be more empathetic to helping addicts. I'm sure the opposite could be said for the majority who greatly oppose it.

Well, you would be wrong then. I do think addicts need and should get help, but never in the stead of someone who is not ill through their own vices. Additionally, most problems addicts have can be solved by stopping. If it doesn't involve getting you to quit, I'm not helping. Maybe if you weren't so predisposed to feel the way you do, you might realize that objectivity is much more helpful than enabling. I imagine if you have lost someone to addiction, you would have already learnt that lesson.

(February 24, 2014 at 7:40 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: I think that rather the government should offer large cash incentives to those deemed degenerate if they agree to be sterilized.

Will you take a check?