(March 1, 2014 at 7:29 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

Ryan Wrote:If logic is the true ruler of existence, I'd rather worship some personification of it rather than the Bible's personification of every bad personality trait humanity has to offer.

God is the personification of it

So then why are his actions often so thoroughly illogical?

They aren't

(March 1, 2014 at 7:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: They aren't

So creating a race of people who didn't ask to be created, making them inherently fallible and flawed, but then expecting them to live within stringent demands of perfection when they eventually begin to question the necessity of their existence isn't illogical?

That and making a sacrifice to himself, from himself when it was allegedly the races 'fault' for provoking his anger?

That and being vengeful, vain, callous, egotistical, unrealistic, overbearing and hypocritical when the demands put upon his subjects clearly impose the expectancy of perfection and the utter abhorrence at the exhibition of the aforementioned characteristics?

(March 1, 2014 at 7:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: They aren't

"Oh no, those humans are so sinful! Better drown them all in a flood, thus killing all the animals who aren't sinful too! And I'll get a single family to repopulate the entire planet after sailing away on a physically impossible ship filled with just two of every animal, because that's a sustainable gene pool!"

"Oh no, all those humans are still so sinful! The only possible method I can think of for circumventing this is to sacrifice myself to myself in order to get past laws I put in place to begin with, because simply forgiving things- like I claim I really want to- is just too darn illogical!"

"Hmm, should I lay out what I really mean in the bible? No, why do that? In a few thousand years some anonymous internet commentator will come along and baselessly assert what I really mean over and over, while obtusely ignoring what people mean when they talk to him. It'll be obvious that this anonymous guy with zeroes in place of Os in his username knows what the creator of the universe actually means, contradicting the things in the only book I've ever used to communicate with humanity. Yep!"

You guys Gods not illogical hes mysterious get it right...........

(March 1, 2014 at 2:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(February 28, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Depends which is more convenient to the position the theist is arguing.

God is the cause of logic, therefore God is both constrained and unrestrained by logic.

SPECIAL PLEADING CHECKMATE ATHEISTS!

Frodo is provably going toward some kind of Infinite Regress argument with this, with God as the basis and essence of all logic and understanding.

Which if you've read the OT and NT is hilarious.

Logic is a constraint within which God must function. To repeat: an illogical creation must collapse, an illogical creator must not exist. It's simple logic we can deduce when considering a god.

Unsupported assertion. Evolution does not work by the application of logic. Show examples of illogical creations necessarily collapsing.


Does not count.

So a beneficial function of an organism plays no part in the development of that function? Gee I guess it must've been magic after all.

(March 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So a beneficial function of an organism plays no part in the development of that function? Gee I guess it must've been magic after all.

You're ignoring the entire page of posts about the human appendix as if no one can hit the "back" button and see it?

The universe is not constructed logically, neither is life. Snakes and Whales still have vestigial hind legs They still continue to function.

Arguing that things "must be logically constructed or else they will cease to function" is as nonsensical for life as it is for our imperfect universe.

Please explain what is illogical about that. Do you deny evolution?

(February 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm)ScubaSlayer Wrote: I have a question that I have been pondering for sometime now. Perhaps a christian theist can answer it. Does god have rules he needs to follow? For instance the reason I ask is why god needed to send Jesus to suffer for sin? why cant he forgive sin? If god is all powerful why not forgive and for go the whole Jesus suffering in the first place? So is God bound to a rule that says he (the Father) cant forgive sin unless he (the son) suffers for it? why go through the trouble, confusion and utter ridiculousness unless he is bound to not forgive? If so who or what is stopping him? All I can say is if I had created everything time, space, and everything ever to exist why limit myself an all knowing all powerful being to something as trivial as forgiveness??? Seems to be a huge waste of time to create sin and forgiveness and punish for the sin but cant forgive for it. Unless you create a clone of yourself to do it for you?????? Is it only me or is this odd behavior, and thinking for an all knowing being? any thoughts would be great Thanks

The christards are going to use every ounce of greasy sophistry to side step the fact that their phony god is an unjust piece of shit. Meh, fictional characters often are. My only point here is that these religious half-wits will never give a satisfactory answer for the sins of their horrible dictator. We've all gone round and round with them. It's not even a conversation. It's an exercise is masochism listening to their pathetic drivel.