(March 15, 2014 at 10:03 am)discipulus Wrote: Regardless of one's beliefs, you should love them. You may disagree with the doctrine, that is fine. But you should still respect them and honor them as fellow human beings. As much as is in your power you are to live at peace with all men. We all know this is the right way to live. If we know it and fail to do it, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

I have many theists in my family and among my friends. I don't hate them because of their beliefs, I love them.

I think their beliefs are unsupported by evidence and rational thought, but that doesn't mean I hate them.

It is a bit sad that many of them (like you) believe they are born damaged, and destined for eternal torture, unless you can believe in the ridiculous.

(March 15, 2014 at 10:19 am)Napoléon Wrote: You can "love" someone and still mock their belief system for being the absurdity that it is. What makes you think people are automatically entitled to respect? Do christians who picket funerals have respect? Why should I respect such people. Fuck that. Fuck them.

You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Surely you know that the only way to overcome hate is through love.

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(March 15, 2014 at 10:26 am)Simon Moon Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 10:03 am)discipulus Wrote: Regardless of one's beliefs, you should love them. You may disagree with the doctrine, that is fine. But you should still respect them and honor them as fellow human beings. As much as is in your power you are to live at peace with all men. We all know this is the right way to live. If we know it and fail to do it, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

I have many theists in my family and among my friends. I don't hate them because of their beliefs, I love them.

I think their beliefs are unsupported by evidence and rational thought, but that doesn't mean I hate them.

It is a bit sad that many of them (like you) believe they are born damaged, and destined for eternal torture, unless you can believe in the ridiculous.

The fact that human beings are fundamentally messed up is evident for anyone to see. Just look at the evening news or read a newspaper. Observe children at play on a playground. They need to be taught how to share and how to be kind. They need not be taught how to be selfish and harsh, for it comes natural to them.

Men are naturally selfish and self seeking, evil and bitter and full of malice. The curses of one uttered in this very thread is evidence of this.

(March 15, 2014 at 10:35 am)discipulus Wrote: You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Surely you know that the only way to overcome hate is through love.

You might want to examine your own posts a bit.

I've seen you post some of the most bigoted and intolerant things on this forum.

(March 15, 2014 at 10:35 am)discipulus Wrote: You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

Oh, I can supply a few differences. For one, those who picket funerals have earned contempt through their actions, whereas their victims have not. The two examples aren't really comparable, given that the picketers are causing pain to innocent families, which is what prompts our dislike; you can hardly claim they don't deserve it.

Quote:What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Cheap equivocation aside, what will it accomplish? Well, it might make those we mock rethink their beliefs. If someone had a sincere belief that was causing harm to themselves or others, are you saying that belief should be preserved above and beyond the people they're harming?

Why not make your work much quicker and shorter by list everything Christianity didn't plagiarize and yet didn't get wrong?

There, I am done. Every last one of them, exhaustively enumerated in writing right there.

I just did it again.

See how much easier it is?

(March 15, 2014 at 10:35 am)discipulus Wrote: You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Surely you know that the only way to overcome hate is through love.

Enough with the hippy bullshit. Seriously. Come down from cloud cuckoo land and live in reality.

I don't treat disrespect with love. I treat it as it should be treated, with disdain. Respect is earned not given. I do not picket funerals. I think the people who do are retarded and I have every right to mock them for it. Mockery and criticism of certain actions are important and constructive in many instances. It can highlight things that are wrong with society, encourage people to speak up and speak freely. Hate begets hate? Violence begets violence? You a Jedi or something? Do you actually believe this churned out bullshit? Might as well start quoting Ghandi.

FYI there is a difference between mockery and hate. Criticism != hate.

(March 15, 2014 at 11:16 am)Napoléon Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 10:35 am)discipulus Wrote: You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Surely you know that the only way to overcome hate is through love.

Enough with the hippy bullshit. Seriously. Come down from cloud cuckoo land and live in reality.

I don't treat disrespect with love. I treat it as it should be treated, with disdain. Respect is earned not given. I do not picket funerals. I think the people who do are retarded and I have every right to mock them for it. Mockery and criticism of certain actions are important and constructive in many instances. It can highlight things that are wrong with society, encourage people to speak up and speak freely. Hate begets hate? Violence begets violence? You a Jedi or something? Do you actually believe this churned out bullshit? Might as well start quoting Ghandi.

FYI there is a difference between mockery and hate. Criticism != hate.

I wish I spoke retard, just so I can comprehend what the hell he's saying! Love cures all.. awwww... isn't that sweet? If you can welcome the "fact" that a lack of god means a lack of respect, you can become one with JEBUSSSS.. lord of the skies.. impotent schmuck of lore. I hate this shit, so much. Love is the remedy! awww.. let me toke up and join this guy in this rational discussion. Be right back.. in all seriousness, if you think hate is what happens when you fail to "break free from the darkness", well, the sane know love comes when you "break free from retardation".. that's respect earned.

(March 15, 2014 at 10:48 am)Simon Moon Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 10:35 am)discipulus Wrote: You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Surely you know that the only way to overcome hate is through love.

You might want to examine your own posts a bit.

I've seen you post some of the most bigoted and intolerant things on this forum.

Like?

Like youre homophobic....

You do realize you think the earth is possibly flat?

(March 15, 2014 at 10:55 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 10:35 am)discipulus Wrote: You have the same attitude that the people who picket funerals have. An attitude of hate.

How are you any different than they? In the same way they are disrespectful you are disrespectful. You return evil for evil, cursing for cursing, hate for hate. But hate begets hate and violence begets violence.

Oh, I can supply a few differences. For one, those who picket funerals have earned contempt through their actions, whereas their victims have not. The two examples aren't really comparable, given that the picketers are causing pain to innocent families, which is what prompts our dislike; you can hardly claim they don't deserve it.

Quote:What will mocking someone's beliefs accomplish but make you look like a mocker? What will cursing and bitter words get you? What credit is it to you if you act as the very one's you condemn.

Cheap equivocation aside, what will it accomplish? Well, it might make those we mock rethink their beliefs. If someone had a sincere belief that was causing harm to themselves or others, are you saying that belief should be preserved above and beyond the people they're harming?

You justify your own hatred and mockery and bitterness in the same manner that those who you mock justify theirs.

If they earn contempt by doing what they do then by the same token you earn contempt yourself for you do the very same things they do.

But if I love you then no matter what you say about me as a person or my beliefs I will not mock you or curse you or hate you. I may try to reason with you and show you that hate breeds hate. But if I love you I will respect you as a human being. That does not mean I have to agree with you. It does mean that I still must love you and want only the best for you.

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(March 15, 2014 at 12:04 pm)heathendegenerate Wrote: Like youre homophobic....

You do realize you think the earth is possibly flat?

I am not afraid of homosexuals. I have several friends and relatives who are openly gay. I at one point in my life had very strong feelings and an attraction for a friend of mine who happened to be a man. I can relate to what they feel and how they think.

I do not agree with their lifestyle but I love them and respect them and treat them the way i would want to be treated.