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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 10:54 pm
(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible. So the proof that Jesus is god is that he's become cultural background noise?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm
(March 30, 2014 at 10:54 pm)Tonus Wrote: (March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible. So the proof that Jesus is god is that he's become cultural background noise?
Like Harry Potter.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 11:06 pm
(March 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm)Beccs Wrote: (March 30, 2014 at 10:54 pm)Tonus Wrote: So the proof that Jesus is god is that he's become cultural background noise?
Like Harry Potter.
Harry Potter fans don't knock on my door trying to get me to go to Hogwarts. 
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 11:10 pm
(March 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Where you there at the Big Bang?
Do you always attempt to defend your proselytizing with cheap misdirection?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 11:16 pm
(March 30, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (March 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Where you there at the Big Bang?
Do you always attempt to defend your proselytizing with cheap misdirection?
Apparently, aside form bible verses, that's all he's got.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 11:18 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2014 at 11:19 pm by *Deidre*.)
It's not totally out there to buy that a man named Jesus may have existed 2000+ years ago. But, so what? The tale that was attached to him, of the NT? That is the part that is way harder to buy.
Revelation, I was Christian, and there was a time when I bought it all. But, largely, that was because I didn't apply critical thinking, and was indoctrinated from childhood to believing the tall tales of the Bible.
The trouble with the Bible, is it's not a history book. It's a religious book, and that is the only reason it was ''produced,'' to indoctrinate people into a specific religious construct.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 30, 2014 at 11:22 pm
(March 30, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (March 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Where you there at the Big Bang?
Do you always attempt to defend your proselytizing with cheap misdirection?
Where were the authors of Genesis when they claimed "In the beginning, God created the earth and the heavens"?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 3:10 am
(March 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Where you there at the Big Bang?
Hah! Jesus, I was going to respond to this anyway, and then I find it was directed at me anyway!
Were you there when anything about Jesus happened, Ken Ham? 
Please, at least attempt to make arguments that don't also apply to you, and if you fall back on faith here I think I might just vomit.
Incidentally, I find it funny that you went immediately to the big bang, even though I never mentioned it. Clearly you're just following a script of what your malformed mind has been fooled into thinking are gotcha questions, and since I didn't give you any fodder you had to make a leap to the next one. It's a little pathetic.
Now, again: do you actually care if you're convincing, or not?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 3:34 am
(March 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Where you there at the Big Bang?
Haha. That all you got kid? Instead of trying to prove your claim you're going to try and have a dig at something you know nothing about?
Ok. Let's hear your understanding of the Big Bang and why you seem skeptical of it. Please show your working including a critique of any known current mathematical/theoretical paradigms.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 3:39 am
(March 31, 2014 at 3:34 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Ok. Let's hear your understanding of the Big Bang and why you seem skeptical of it. Please show your working including a critique of any known current mathematical/theoretical paradigms.
Prediction time!
"In the beginning there was nothing, and then the nothing exploded and became everything, and then the everything decided it wanted to be alive and evolved from rocks into monkeys, that were your grandfather, which is impossible because nothing comes from nothing!"
Honestly, even if this means that Rev avoids confirming my prediction, at least we'll have avoided wasting some time listening to this crap seriously. 
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