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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 6:29 am
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(April 4, 2014 at 6:27 am)Esquilax Wrote: (April 3, 2014 at 11:16 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Dear "SaveByGraceThruFaith",
Your comment on the Big Bang Theory is spot on. You did a great job, keep up the good work.
Grace's comment displayed a breathtaking ignorance of what the big bang theory even is, and by endorsing it you have shown that you too are ignorant of it, and seemingly unwilling to learn before you comment on it.
It's becoming increasingly hard to take a charitable view of you. 
You forgot to consult your christian-english dictionary. What Rev really means is
Quote:Dear "SaveByGraceThruFaith",
Your comment on the Big Bang Theory is very pious. You did a great job, keep up the good work.
Understanding or arguing anything does not figure into this, it's about proclaiming faith.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 6:37 am
(April 4, 2014 at 6:29 am)Alex K Wrote: Understanding or arguing anything does not figure into this, it's about proclaiming faith.
I'm becoming more and more aware of how true this is, and it makes me sad. Having never been a christian myself, it's hard to access that mindset that prizes faith at all, here.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 6:41 am
(April 4, 2014 at 6:37 am)Esquilax Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 6:29 am)Alex K Wrote: Understanding or arguing anything does not figure into this, it's about proclaiming faith.
I'm becoming more and more aware of how true this is, and it makes me sad. Having never been a christian myself, it's hard to access that mindset that prizes faith at all, here.
Same here. I was never a Christian to that extent, even when I was brought up with diffuse religious ideals. It is very foreign to me, but I've encountered it so often.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 7:00 am
(April 4, 2014 at 6:37 am)Esquilax Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 6:29 am)Alex K Wrote: Understanding or arguing anything does not figure into this, it's about proclaiming faith.
I'm becoming more and more aware of how true this is, and it makes me sad. Having never been a christian myself, it's hard to access that mindset that prizes faith at all, here.
It's hard to imagine living every day thinking that some judgmental god is critiquing your every thought and action ready to send you to everlasting torment at the slightest misstep.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 7:02 am
(April 4, 2014 at 7:00 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 6:37 am)Esquilax Wrote: I'm becoming more and more aware of how true this is, and it makes me sad. Having never been a christian myself, it's hard to access that mindset that prizes faith at all, here.
It's hard to imagine living every day thinking that some judgmental god is critiquing your every thought and action ready to send you to everlasting torment at the slightest misstep.
Horrible isn't it. Especially if thinking critically counts as a misstep. I should really remind myself of that more often, I mean how lucky I am to be free like this.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 8:31 am
(April 4, 2014 at 7:02 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 7:00 am)Zen Badger Wrote: It's hard to imagine living every day thinking that some judgmental god is critiquing your every thought and action ready to send you to everlasting torment at the slightest misstep.
Horrible isn't it. Especially if thinking critically counts as a misstep. I should really remind myself of that more often, I mean how lucky I am to be free like this.
THERE is a principle in American law - ie - acting with depraved indifference - where IF you know about a crime about to be committed - and you have the ability to report or prevent it - IF YOU DO NOT - you can be prosecuted for abetting the crime
So - if YOU know someone plans to kill - and YOU do not tell the police - you are simply ALLOWING it to happen and are just as responsible as the person actually committing the crime.
And that is one place where the "god" of religion claim fails.
It is claimed that the god is ALL KNOWING - so it knows about every crime that will happen
It is claimed that the god is ALMIGHTY so it can prevent every crime without any extra effort.
And the god is supposed to be ALL GOOD - as well - so it would WANT TO prevent the crime (A good person would not allow it to happen)
Any god - if ONE existed - that would allow the holocaust to happen - (Among others) - would be nothing more than a criminal who deserves to be hanged.
And even in the bible - the god ALLOWS innocents to be killed
IN every population - there exists a group - infants and young children - who are not mentally able to "sin" . Children under age five today represent more than 15% of the population - and back when the average life expectancy was less than 30 years (The roman life expectancy at the supposed time of the christ) - the percentage would be MUCH higher.
Yet - there exists NO place where the god saved these innocents from the slaughter of the great flood - or Sodom and Gomorrah - and others. One cannot say that god knew they would have sinned - since "free choice" allows them to change their minds (Or it does not exist) - so should not be judged by things not actually done. THis is nothing more than MURDER - pure and simple
And the bible also states that we are NOT responsible for the sins of others. THAT alone causes TWO problems
1 - In the Passover - what did the average first born Egyptian do to deserve to be killed because the Pharaoh refused to free the jews? NOTHING and yet this MASS MURDER of innocents is celebrated by theists of different religions.
IF the god is all good - none of this should have happened at all.
More LOGICAL reasons why the claims of religion are false.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 12:13 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 6:37 am)Esquilax Wrote: I'm becoming more and more aware of how true this is, and it makes me sad. Having never been a christian myself, it's hard to access that mindset that prizes faith at all, here. Rationalization. It's something we do all the time, but usually on a much smaller and less noticeable scale. Religious belief usually tries to encompass everything about us and the world around us, hence the attempts to stretch the related rationalizations well beyond the point where a sane person would stop.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 5:23 pm
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(April 3, 2014 at 11:16 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 3, 2014 at 8:00 am)archangle Wrote: Like some of my athiest poopie heads you misunderstand.
We say "we don't know, but this is what it looks like." We don't need a answer because we know we don't know enough. Yeah, it does kinda suck. But we don't have to release all of our fears by accepting a book. we keep looking 
I should point out I am not one of those "the bible is false" guys. Because there may very well have been a flood. In fact I would suggest there was a flood. It may have been the biggest flood they ever saw. But there is no reason to take the book literally. 
Dear "SaveByGraceThruFaith",
Your comment on the Big Bang Theory is spot on. You did a great job, keep up the good work.
actually he is wrong. He is not representing what we are saying he is showing us what he is afraid of.
our "faith" is based on what "god" is showing us.
You are basing yours on a man made book.
so, should we follow what "god" shows us or what a "man made book" said?
whats nice about our faith is that we can take ours anywhare and say here is our "faith". You take a look and decide for yourself. We kinda hope they prove us wrong because that is fun stuff ... this finding something new about "god". If he should exist.
The only thing written in stone is the rock record and it is in the handwriting of god himself
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 10:00 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 5:23 pm)archangle Wrote: (April 3, 2014 at 11:16 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Dear "SaveByGraceThruFaith",
Your comment on the Big Bang Theory is spot on. You did a great job, keep up the good work.
actually he is wrong. He is not representing what we are saying he is showing us what he is afraid of.
our "faith" is based on what "god" is showing us.
You are basing yours on a man made book.
so, should we follow what "god" shows us or what a "man made book" said?
whats nice about our faith is that we can take ours anywhare and say here is our "faith". You take a look and decide for yourself. We kinda hope they prove us wrong because that is fun stuff ... this finding something new about "god". If he should exist.
The only thing written in stone is the rock record and it is in the handwriting of god himself
You are both wrong.
There is no handwriting of god in the rocks. If you think there is, show it to us.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 4, 2014 at 10:01 pm
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(April 4, 2014 at 10:00 pm)Chas Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:23 pm)archangle Wrote: actually he is wrong. He is not representing what we are saying he is showing us what he is afraid of.
our "faith" is based on what "god" is showing us.
You are basing yours on a man made book.
so, should we follow what "god" shows us or what a "man made book" said?
whats nice about our faith is that we can take ours anywhare and say here is our "faith". You take a look and decide for yourself. We kinda hope they prove us wrong because that is fun stuff ... this finding something new about "god". If he should exist.
The only thing written in stone is the rock record and it is in the handwriting of god himself
You are both wrong.
There is no handwriting of god in the rocks. If you think there is, show it to us.
Hehe that's a knockdown. No way he will come back from this 
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