(April 10, 2014 at 11:06 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You asked me for the thought process, which I think is the best way you could ask. We know we disagree on the detail.

The details are kind of the important part, though. I'm fully willing to accept the possibility that I've missed a detail somewhere along the way, but I do know how to come to a logical conclusion besides that.

(April 10, 2014 at 6:00 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Theists,here is how I shall measure proof of god(s): Let me touch him/her/it. Until I can feel god beneath my fingertips, it's not real. Seeing is crap, so is hearing. Bring me a god I can touch and we'll talk.

Touching alone could be misleading. Touching a person who merely claims godhood is not proof of the person's divinity.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:08 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 6:00 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Theists,here is how I shall measure proof of god(s): Let me touch him/her/it. Until I can feel god beneath my fingertips, it's not real. Seeing is crap, so is hearing. Bring me a god I can touch and we'll talk.

Touching alone could be misleading. Touching a person who merely claims godhood is not proof of the person's divinity.

Of course it is! But touch is the most accurate sense I have. I have no sight, I can be fooled with a recording, smell and taste are probably not going to relavent in my assessment, so I have touch. And I think I'm competent enough to decide if what I'm touch is a god or a sheep! Someone can hand me a ball and tell me it's a cube but I'll know the difference.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:59 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: And I think I'm competent enough to decide if what I'm touch is a god or a sheep!

But is your sense of touch competent enough to discern the difference between a human who feels like a human and a god who feels like a human? Anyone can walk up to you, claim divinity, and state "touch me, for I am divine." You simply cannot trust the person's claim to divinity based on your sense of touch alone.

For someone who is blind, I suppose the truth of one's divinity would have to first be ascertained by those in the scientific community who are trustworthy.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:59 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 12:08 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Touching alone could be misleading. Touching a person who merely claims godhood is not proof of the person's divinity.

Of course it is! But touch is the most accurate sense I have. I have no sight, I can be fooled with a recording, smell and taste are probably not going to relavent in my assessment, so I have touch. And I think I'm competent enough to decide if what I'm touch is a god or a sheep! Someone can hand me a ball and tell me it's a cube but I'll know the difference.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:08 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 6:00 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Theists,here is how I shall measure proof of god(s): Let me touch him/her/it. Until I can feel god beneath my fingertips, it's not real. Seeing is crap, so is hearing. Bring me a god I can touch and we'll talk.

Touching alone could be misleading. Touching a person who merely claims godhood is not proof of the person's divinity.

No but it's a start. It proves there is something there that might be a god.