D-P just dropped this on Rev777, thought it was worthy.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:11 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm pointing out the stark contrast between the world of the Bible and the world we live in.

Read the Babble and you read about a world drenched in the supernatural. The god of the Babble is not a subtle character in the least. In the Old Testament, he routinely interacted with the other characters, even speaking face-to-face with Moses and giving a public speech to Judea. In the New Testament, you have not just Jesus but also people of faith able to heal and cast out demons, angels breaking people out of prison and booming voices from the sky.

Put down the Babble and look around. It's a natural universe, devoid of supernatural upheaval, governed by predictable laws and best understood by science and reason. The Christian god has retreated to become a subtle observer in events, barely able to muster the power to occasionally appear on a slice of toast. Christians who believe this god intervenes in human affairs can only point to natural occurrences like hurricanes or earthquakes, where divine intervention becomes indistinguishable from unfortunate turns of well-understood forces of nature.

The contrast between the dreamscape world of your scripture and the way the universe actually operates in reality becomes especially palpable when the apologists step forward to offer their best evidence for their beliefs. William Lane Craig, Lee Strobel, Habermas, et al, have no storehouse of holy relics like the magic handkerchiefs of Paul (see the Book of Acts of the Apostles 19:11-12). They can perform no miracles of healing as repeatable demonstrations performed under medical peer review (see Mark 16:17-18). There are no angels that can be summoned to strike dead the world's tyrants (Acts 12:23), nor can your god make a speech to the public (Judges 1:1-3) or shout from the sky (Matt 3:17).

They can offer no evidence of any kind even though the Bible depicts a realm in which this kind of evidence should be expected.

Instead, the apologists are limited to the arguments that should be expected in a natural universe. They bring to the table abstract philosophy, mental constructs and verbal slight-of-hand. Entire textbooks on logical fallacies could be penned using their arguments as examples but letting that go, one can't help but notice that when the reverberations of the noise they make fade away, there is not one shred of evidence, a single repeatable demonstration or the aid of any supernatural agent to lend credence to their fanciful claims. The only magic I ever see is the razzle-dazzle of the apologist showman.

It's a natural world we live in, my friend, and if there is some sort of god out there, It clearly has no interest in being worshiped by the microscopic beings on a pale blue dot that only came into existence in the relatively recent history of the universe.

I agree. He's now in my sig

(April 12, 2014 at 2:08 pm)Luckie Wrote: I agree. He's now in my sig

I'm flattered. Thanks so much and thanks Steelcurtain for the nomination.

(April 13, 2014 at 1:09 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(April 12, 2014 at 2:08 pm)Luckie Wrote: I agree. He's now in my sig

I'm flattered. Thanks so much and thanks Steelcurtain for the nomination.

How I picture DP right now :

(April 18, 2014 at 12:48 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: An Islamic Library.
I bet I can name its book.

Yet another to add to my "why the hell didn't I think of that?" list.

(April 18, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(April 18, 2014 at 12:48 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: An Islamic Library.
I bet I can name its book.

Yet another to add to my "why the hell didn't I think of that?" list.

I finally made it.

(April 18, 2014 at 2:13 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I finally made it.

I am uncertain if I have ever made it in here, because I have not been paying attention to this thread.

I'm just doing some catch up reading. Man you guys have missed a lot of opportunities here in this thread.. For both Epicness, and Humiliating Shamefulness! Oh and I nominate Maelstrom for always stating what I'm thinking but am too lazy to actually say

I'm a Rampant.A.I. fan and I don't care who knows it!

(April 25, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(April 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Heywood Wrote: Apparently some courts in the US think slavery is okay too.....as long as gays or blacks or what ever they chose are the masters.

So you don't believe in biblical morality? I'm not aware of any court-sanctioned Christian slavery rings led by blacks and gays, and do not see how having a baker sell a cake to someone who happens to be black or gay constitutes white slavery.

(April 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Heywood Wrote: Don't be surprised if some of those slave bakers urinate in the cake batter of your wedding cake.

Them's good Christian values right there folks, mhmm.

(April 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Heywood Wrote: Its better just to let people be free

As long as they're not black or gay, and want to drink from your water fountain or sit in front of the bus.

(April 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Heywood Wrote: and serve those who they choose to serve.

I doubt you'd feel the same about stores and restaurants with "No Whites, No Christians" policies.

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(April 25, 2014 at 6:36 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: Hey hey hey... Homosexuality and beastiality are completely different. One is "confusion", and the other is "an abomination". Leviticus 18

Ironically, beastiality seems to be practiced predominately by backwater Christians with an affinity for banjo music.

Made me laugh

I have been negligent. There have been many noteworthy quips and points made on these threads that I am embarrassed to realize I could have posted here. Umm .. about that. I did just try to quote a post but couldn't seem to manage it. I know where the button is collect quotes to post. I just don't know how to 'shake it loose' to actually quote it. A little help?

(I am this minute getting a little message below telling me I have selected one or more posts to quote. I just don't know how to 'release' it.)

It's in that message.

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