The universe is rapidly dissipating into the void. In a few googlplexes of quadrillions of centuries later it will all be a Bose Einstein condensate everywhere and nowhere.

And on a REALLY long timescale compared to the above estimate, the entire universe, Big Bang to infinitely dissipated was as close to zero as anyone could imagine.

If you look at the universe from the perspective of a void of truly infinite (and then some) size and timescales where a Skewes Number of years is nothing, you realize just how tiny a blip each of is,


or rather, isn't.

(April 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Jiggerj Wrote: We've always heard that nothing but gases came out of the Big Bang. Even gases are made up of atoms. Science now tells us that atoms are made up of quantum particles.

Well, if those atom-made gases are what exploded out of the Big Bang, then where (in what dimension) did the quantum particles come together to form those atoms?

Nope.

Only energy came out of the Big Bang. Matter later condense out of the electromagnetic radiation when expansion had reduced its energy sufficiently.

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(April 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Jiggerj Wrote: We've always heard that nothing but gases came out of the Big Bang. Even gases are made up of atoms. Science now tells us that atoms are made up of quantum particles.

Well, if those atom-made gases are what exploded out of the Big Bang, then where (in what dimension) did the quantum particles come together to form those atoms?

Big bang was more like a liquid...not a gas.

Nope.

It wasn't matter - only energy.

(April 15, 2014 at 5:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Jiggerj Wrote: We've always heard that nothing but gases came out of the Big Bang. Even gases are made up of atoms. Science now tells us that atoms are made up of quantum particles.

Well, if those atom-made gases are what exploded out of the Big Bang, then where (in what dimension) did the quantum particles come together to form those atoms?

If you've 'always heard that nothing but gases came out of the Big Bang', you need to find other people to listen to. Either that, or you need to listen more closely. Gases did NOT come out of the Big Bang - they formed later. Even the subatomic nuclei which formed the atoms which formed the gases were not an immediate product of the BB.

Nothing 'exploded' out of the BB.

The quantum particles you refer to formed in the earlier (but not earliest) phase of the expansion, a period known as 'symmetry breaking'. To ask in what dimension the quanta formed is an incoherent question.

I confess to having done some research on this topic. It took 6 minutes, not ten years. Lazy bastard, you.

Boru

addendum: erm, yeah. What Chuck said.

This is the best post made on this thread so far. And, most accurate.

What came out of the big bang was not 'matter' at least not immediately . It is important to note DeBroglie's dual nature hypothesis. It was an expansion of pure energy. The most fundamental particles take on wave properties and those particles during the expansion could've not behaved like particles. There simply wasn't enough space for them to be particles in the very early stages of the singularity.

(April 15, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Chuck Wrote: Where did the elementary particles that came out of the big bang initially come from? We don't know. No one does. Christians in particular have less clue then zero.

There's this book

(April 18, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Chas Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Jiggerj Wrote: We've always heard that nothing but gases came out of the Big Bang. Even gases are made up of atoms. Science now tells us that atoms are made up of quantum particles.

Well, if those atom-made gases are what exploded out of the Big Bang, then where (in what dimension) did the quantum particles come together to form those atoms?

(April 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: Big bang was more like a liquid...not a gas.

Nope.

It wasn't matter - only energy.

You're nit picking on my nit picking Chas....but whatever. When matter first condensed from the Big Bang energy what came out was more like a liquid than a gas.

(April 19, 2014 at 6:58 am)Heywood Wrote:

(April 18, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Chas Wrote: Nope.

It wasn't matter - only energy.

You're nit picking on my nit picking Chas....but whatever. When matter first condensed from the Big Bang energy what came out was more like a liquid than a gas.

It was a high-energy plasma and no more like a liquid than like a gas.

(April 19, 2014 at 8:07 am)Chas Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 6:58 am)Heywood Wrote: You're nit picking on my nit picking Chas....but whatever. When matter first condensed from the Big Bang energy what came out was more like a liquid than a gas.

It was a high-energy plasma and no more like a liquid than like a gas.

Big Negative Chas,

Quote:Although the experimental high temperatures and densities predicted as producing a quark-gluon plasma have been realized in the laboratory, the resulting matter does not behave as a quasi-ideal state of free quarks and gluons, but, rather, as an almost perfect dense fluid.[10] Actually, the fact that the quark-gluon plasma will not yet be "free" at temperatures realized at present accelerators was predicted in 1984 as a consequence of the remnant effects of confinement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark%E2%80%93gluon_plasma

Since the big bang was everywhere there was no free surface, but its extreme denseness and fluidity made it behave more liquid like than gas.

(April 19, 2014 at 8:29 am)Heywood Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 8:07 am)Chas Wrote: It was a high-energy plasma and no more like a liquid than like a gas.

Big Negative Chas,

Quote:Although the experimental high temperatures and densities predicted as producing a quark-gluon plasma have been realized in the laboratory, the resulting matter does not behave as a quasi-ideal state of free quarks and gluons, but, rather, as an almost perfect dense fluid.[10] Actually, the fact that the quark-gluon plasma will not yet be "free" at temperatures realized at present accelerators was predicted in 1984 as a consequence of the remnant effects of confinement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark%E2%80%93gluon_plasma

Since the big bang was everywhere there was no free surface, but its extreme denseness and fluidity made it behave more liquid like than gas.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the link.