(April 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 12, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So "Shaykh," have you ever actually communicated with god?

If so, can you describe the form and substance of his reply?

Debating believers of all religions is like working at the DMV, all of them think they can drive, and they all think their different cars make them special, but you still end up telling them all to get in line and take a number. When you finally inspect their claims that they deserve a license you realize they have never studied the drivers manual(how logic works), and every time you give them the eye exam they always see letters that spell out their pet god claim. Then they all get pissed when you give them a failing grade.

Not how it works exactly because you described the common atheist. You seem to be doing very little int he cases of logic and reason and the last time I heard people discuss this philosophically it makes no sense. You lack the ability to apply logic to all claims because there are things you cannot answer and the same goes for me. Because I conclude that a God exist makes me very unspecial since theism i the majority. You keep shooting yourself int he foot with your claims and continuously assume too much of me. Hell people still think I am a Muslim at this point.
Your logic is 0 and you ability to quantify claims and measure them by units of truth is bias as you do not take note of your own absurdities.

In short, you are an idiot since not only are you bias but you make claims and do nothing to support them but conclude that you can.
I said it before I even made this thread that I am very bad at arguing the existence of god when it comes to objective(a posteriori or empirical) claims. I do not even believe that god is universally valid in existence so how the fuck would I argue about proving the existence of god on a level that is the anti-thesis to my own?

You said earlier that I think I am special when I think otherwise, earlier another poor undeveloped fool assumed I believe in miracles while another assumed that I believe divine prophecy or was a Muslim. You are using assumptions which is the true case of an idiot. You assume that something is there and are already declaring victory..........over a non-existence presence. If this is the case you are worst than Christians as you ASSUME that God does not exist.
Assumptions account for little int he real world and considering that all your actions are based from assumptions your own irreligiosity is a fallacy as it is based off similar if not identical standards of non-evidence. You believe that no god exist because only in your dream can you make such a claim. You are not Dawkins who can come to an evidential understanding that God does not exist but you are instead Lane Craig who believes the shit coming out of his own ass is gold while his mouth spews forth diamonds. You are delusional and idiotic in every sense of the way.

(April 14, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: You lack the ability to apply logic to all claims because there are things you cannot answer and the same goes for me. Because I conclude that a God exist makes me very unspecial since theism i the majority.

You won the Irony Award! Woohoo!

(April 14, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote:

(April 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Debating believers of all religions is like working at the DMV, all of them think they can drive, and they all think their different cars make them special, but you still end up telling them all to get in line and take a number. When you finally inspect their claims that they deserve a license you realize they have never studied the drivers manual(how logic works), and every time you give them the eye exam they always see letters that spell out their pet god claim. Then they all get pissed when you give them a failing grade.

Not how it works exactly because you described the common atheist. You seem to be doing very little int he cases of logic and reason and the last time I heard people discuss this philosophically it makes no sense. You lack the ability to apply logic to all claims because there are things you cannot answer and the same goes for me. Because I conclude that a God exist makes me very unspecial since theism i the majority. You keep shooting yourself int he foot with your claims and continuously assume too much of me. Hell people still think I am a Muslim at this point.
Your logic is 0 and you ability to quantify claims and measure them by units of truth is bias as you do not take note of your own absurdities.

In short, you are an idiot since not only are you bias but you make claims and do nothing to support them but conclude that you can.
I said it before I even made this thread that I am very bad at arguing the existence of god when it comes to objective(a posteriori or empirical) claims. I do not even believe that god is universally valid in existence so how the fuck would I argue about proving the existence of god on a level that is the anti-thesis to my own?

You said earlier that I think I am special when I think otherwise, earlier another poor undeveloped fool assumed I believe in miracles while another assumed that I believe divine prophecy or was a Muslim. You are using assumptions which is the true case of an idiot. You assume that something is there and are already declaring victory..........over a non-existence presence. If this is the case you are worst than Christians as you ASSUME that God does not exist.
Assumptions account for little int he real world and considering that all your actions are based from assumptions your own irreligiosity is a fallacy as it is based off similar if not identical standards of non-evidence. You believe that no god exist because only in your dream can you make such a claim. You are not Dawkins who can come to an evidential understanding that God does not exist but you are instead Lane Craig who believes the shit coming out of his own ass is gold while his mouth spews forth diamonds. You are delusional and idiotic in every sense of the way.

How am I delusional? I don't have an invisible friend. I don't speculate over fantasy merely wanting it to be true. Is it delusional to accept that Thor does not make lightening? Is delusional to accept that the sun is not a thinking god? Is it delusional to accept that the earth is not flat?

If anyone wants to claim they are Napoleon, or that the Yankees won the Superbowl, they can, but that doesn't mean I have to buy clearly bullshit claims or value those claims or never challenge those claims.

The baggage of utopia lovers is not mine, don't blame me for the lack of evidence of others.

(April 15, 2014 at 5:13 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: You lack the ability to apply logic to all claims because there are things you cannot answer and the same goes for me. Because I conclude that a God exist makes me very unspecial since theism i the majority.

You won the Irony Award! Woohoo!

Try articulating an argument so I can take you seriously. Until them I will respond to idiocy with greater idiocy since it merely amuses me.

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Brian37 Wrote:How am I delusional?

You are delusional in the same sense that Rush Limbaugh is sincere.

Quote:I don't have an invisible friend. I don't speculate over fantasy merely wanting it to be true.

I never said any metaphysical being is my friend, I have concluded otherwise. I also do not wish of such things to be true. If there was a a loving god looking out for me I would enjoy it but no such thing exist.

Quote:Is it delusional to accept that Thor does not make lightening?

Lightening has a cause and let us name the accumulation of of rapidly pressurized air Thor. So yes Thor exist.

Quote:Is delusional to accept that the sun is not a thinking god?

The sun does something thus it can think as does everything else. My keyboard makes clicking noise every time I press a key so thus is the proof that a god of sound exist. You cannot refute that and any theory will only provide evidence for how the god works.

Quote: Is it delusional to accept that the earth is not flat?

Of course not because there is no reason to and we have seen it and concluded it is not flat. Thus spake Gaia

Quote:If anyone wants to claim they are Napoleon, or that the Yankees won the Superbowl, they can, but that doesn't mean I have to buy clearly bullshit claims or value those claims or never challenge those claims.

What is the circumstance for such events? They seem very physical and not metaphysical so how can I compare such different existences and conclude the metaphysical is not true?
I have never seen your face so I thus conclude you have no face.

Your logic is childish and I recommend you grow up.

Quote:The baggage of utopia lovers is not mine, don't blame me for the lack of evidence of others.

I am by no means a utopia lover as such a concept is ludicrous. How the hell can any being conceive a subjective and stable environment from an unstable world. As far as I know WWIII is happening tommorow

(March 25, 2014 at 2:58 am)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: As the title says so whip out your guns and start the atheist vs theist fuck fest. Ask questions about my beliefs or anything you wanna know.

"God is Dead" ~ Nietzsche. So lets see how long it takes to kill him

So who is your favorite god (goddess)? http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/deadgods.html

(April 20, 2014 at 2:18 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(March 25, 2014 at 2:58 am)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: As the title says so whip out your guns and start the atheist vs theist fuck fest. Ask questions about my beliefs or anything you wanna know.

"God is Dead" ~ Nietzsche. So lets see how long it takes to kill him

So who is your favorite god (goddess)? http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/deadgods.html

Tammuz, Marduk and Baal where on the list yet they are not dead. How bizarre

(March 25, 2014 at 2:58 am)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: As the title says so whip out your guns and start the atheist vs theist fuck fest. Ask questions about my beliefs or anything you wanna know.

"God is Dead" ~ Nietzsche. So lets see how long it takes to kill him

Here are some great arguments against God:

-Cosmology. Theists claim that everything is cause-related, so there had to have been something that existed before the universe that created the universe at the beginning of time. Well...we know that causality is time-related, so how can anything exist outside of time? The universe is space-time.

Creation. Theists claim that everything in the material world is so very complex that it could not have evolved naturally and must therefore have been created by an intelligent mind. Well....if life is so complex that it needs a creator, then God must be very complex to have created life using magic. So therefore God needs a creator. Theists are always claiming that God is eternal and doesn't need a creator. Well....that contradicts theists assertions that EVERYTHING needs a creator. That is a fine example of the Ad Hoc Fallacy, in which you jump in with a new premise after someone finds a contradiction to your argument God cannot be exempted from logical explanation. Also, any creation can only happen at a point in time, so how is it possible for a God to create the universe if time doesn't exist outside of the universe?

All of this and much more can be found in the outstanding essay, Why Religion is Bullshit.

(April 24, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: Here are some great arguments against God:

-Cosmology. Theists claim that everything is cause-related, so there had to have been something that existed before the universe that created the universe at the beginning of time. Well...we know that causality is time-related, so how can anything exist outside of time? The universe is space-time.

Panendeism

Quote:Creation. Theists claim that everything in the material world is so very complex that it could not have evolved naturally and must therefore have been created by an intelligent mind. Well....if life is so complex that it needs a creator, then God must be very complex to have created life using magic. So therefore God needs a creator. Theists are always claiming that God is eternal and doesn't need a creator. Well....that contradicts theists assertions that EVERYTHING needs a creator. That is a fine example of the Ad Hoc Fallacy, in which you jump in with a new premise after someone finds a contradiction to your argument God cannot be exempted from logical explanation. Also, any creation can only happen at a point in time, so how is it possible for a God to create the universe if time doesn't exist outside of the universe?

Bullshit. Any person with a sane mind knows of the genetic variances amongst animals today and also knows that such genetic information provides data on the biological relationships we all share. Human for example have 97-98% of their DNA in common with apes(not monkeys) today, specifically of the chimpanzee variety which are out distant cousins.

Only an idiotic believes int he complexity of life as the teleological argument is something only liars like William lane Craig would would use.

Also if the universe does not exist because of an infinite cause of events than neither does God. You are making a double standard here as you are asserting that the universe will not suffer an infinite loop although god will for merely being god. If there is no time outside of a universe then there is no infinite loop as whatever exists outside of a space were only time is irrelevant would merely have to exist. Assuming that something entirely free of time cannot create something effected by it makes no sense. You are only providing a possible deity that is infinite in the truest sense

You seem to contradict yourself with fallacies while asserting nothing but fallacies which you think create valid arguments.

Quote:All of this and much more can be found in the outstanding essay, Why Religion is Bullshit.

You should get a new references site kiddo. Jokes do not make good points for a debate. They do provide laughable axioms though

(April 30, 2014 at 11:38 pm)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote:

(April 24, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: Here are some great arguments against God:

-Cosmology. Theists claim that everything is cause-related, so there had to have been something that existed before the universe that created the universe at the beginning of time. Well...we know that causality is time-related, so how can anything exist outside of time? The universe is space-time.

Panendeism

Quote:Creation. Theists claim that everything in the material world is so very complex that it could not have evolved naturally and must therefore have been created by an intelligent mind. Well....if life is so complex that it needs a creator, then God must be very complex to have created life using magic. So therefore God needs a creator. Theists are always claiming that God is eternal and doesn't need a creator. Well....that contradicts theists assertions that EVERYTHING needs a creator. That is a fine example of the Ad Hoc Fallacy, in which you jump in with a new premise after someone finds a contradiction to your argument God cannot be exempted from logical explanation. Also, any creation can only happen at a point in time, so how is it possible for a God to create the universe if time doesn't exist outside of the universe?

Bullshit. Any person with a sane mind knows of the genetic variances amongst animals today and also knows that such genetic information provides data on the biological relationships we all share. Human for example have 97-98% of their DNA in common with apes(not monkeys) today, specifically of the chimpanzee variety which are out distant cousins.

Only an idiotic believes int he complexity of life as the teleological argument is something only liars like William lane Craig would would use.

Also if the universe does not exist because of an infinite cause of events than neither does God. You are making a double standard here as you are asserting that the universe will not suffer an infinite loop although god will for merely being god. If there is no time outside of a universe then there is no infinite loop as whatever exists outside of a space were only time is irrelevant would merely have to exist. Assuming that something entirely free of time cannot create something effected by it makes no sense. You are only providing a possible deity that is infinite in the truest sense

You seem to contradict yourself with fallacies while asserting nothing but fallacies which you think create valid arguments.

Quote:All of this and much more can be found in the outstanding essay, Why Religion is Bullshit.

You should get a new references site kiddo. Jokes do not make good points for a debate. They do provide laughable axioms though

These are nothing more than Red Herring Fallacies. You're the one who claims to believe in God, and you also just demonstrated that the universe can be eternal, thus contradicting the theistic argument that God could have created the universe.

I'm still wondering how Mahmoud A Dinnerjacket here differentiates between the god he claims exists and other supernatural entities. Coincidentally, it just happens to be the God he was raised to believe in.

He's not arguing (very well at all) for the Christian God, Hindu God, or a general bland creator deity. No, those Gods don't exist; but Allah does.

Why? How do you know it's Allah? What compels any of us to give more credence to
the alternate form of the God character the Christians stole from the Jews, and the Islamics stole from the Christians?

Why does that intangible supernatural being with no evidence exist, but other supernatural beings do not?