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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 26, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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(April 26, 2014 at 11:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: No, no. It isn't the progressive part that's the problem.
Progressive Creationism
Quote:Progressive creationism is the religious belief that God created new forms of life gradually over a period of hundreds of millions of years.
So, creation progressed gradually in the way that a diseased liver progressively gets worse 
(April 26, 2014 at 11:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: A progressive creationist would be as unthinkable as a virgin slut.
The Gnostics didn't regard a virgin slut as unthinkable.
The Thunder. Perfect Mind
Quote:This mysterious poem, discovered among the gnostic manuscripts at Nag Hammadi, is narrated by a female divine revealer.
"For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin. "
 Where are the snake and mushroom smilies?
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 26, 2014 at 7:53 pm
(April 25, 2014 at 5:32 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I think the problem is that you are addressing an audience that doesn't care about evidence. That's why they believe that the bible is valid evidence in the first place. You could present all of this and they'd go 'So what? It's my faith and that's more important than your evidence." If that wasn't their thought process they would never believe that dinosaurs and man co-existed in the first place. So your whole process for approaching someone with such an out of place worldview doesn't seem very practical.
In fact I'd be very concerned with legitimizing the bible as meaning anything in terms of scientific evidence. If you say that the description for dragons in the bible doesn't match up with dinosaurs, so man didn't live with dinosaurs, can't a creationist legitimately believe in dragons because they are in the bible?
Surprised I never saw this. The thing is that the bible can't much stand on its own like it did in the past. Humans have changed enough were even the strongest of positions can be shaken if evidence is shown. If the bible said dragons are real but then there are no evidence of dragons then the bible look worst. Plus if the bible says real dragons then where do dinosaurs fit in? Any way they go it is a suicide for them. I am also more trying to address creationism more than christianity. Some christians already do say dragons exist and dinosaurs don't, but the idea is ridiculous
enough that many christians stray away from people like that in order to look good. Again if they go by actually definitions for the words in the bible then they are showing that it is full of myths that it claims are real. If not then they have to lie in order to do it. When the lie is uncovered eventually the whole movement will collapse. Again it would be suicide for them.
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 26, 2014 at 8:02 pm
But, there is one vital, nailed-on piece of evidence you missed
MM
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 8:02 pm)ManMachine Wrote: But, there is one vital, nailed-on piece of evidence you missed
MM
Cartoon which was made up. 
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote: (April 26, 2014 at 8:02 pm)ManMachine Wrote: But, there is one vital, nailed-on piece of evidence you missed
MM
Cartoon which was made up.
Next you'll be telling me toys don't come to life when we're not looking and jungle animals don't dance and sing with each other...
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm)ManMachine Wrote: (April 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote: Cartoon which was made up.
Next you'll be telling me toys don't come to life when we're not looking and jungle animals don't dance and sing with each other...
They don't.
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Next you'll be telling me toys don't come to life when we're not looking and jungle animals don't dance and sing with each other...
They don't.
Wow, it's just one disappointment after another...
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"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 27, 2014 at 5:36 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)ManMachine Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:08 pm)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote: They don't.
Wow, it's just one disappointment after another...
yup 
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 28, 2014 at 3:29 am
the pretty pictures were nice but the post was tough to read.
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RE: Dinosaurs and Man Living Together?
April 28, 2014 at 3:48 am
Of course man and dinosaurs walked the earth together.
Gosh, have none of you read Crichton's Jurassic Park?
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