In the bible god interacts with the 'natural' world all the time, doesn't it?
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Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
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 (April 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:Actually, of all the threads I've read in this forum where you participated, I fail to remember a single one where you have "supported that in depth".(April 27, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: You claim your belief in one specific supernatural entity is rational, and belief in other supernatural entities is irrational, but cannot substantiate why. At best, what I remember is you claiming you have perfectly logical reasons to believe in the metaphysical "thing" that you believe in. What those reasons are and what the logic involved is... I'm afraid I've missed them. Mind you, I may have missed the threads where you think you actually did that... as such, would you be a dear and provide links to the particular posts where you have already explained yourself "in depth"?  Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
April 27, 2014 at 4:19 pm
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2014 at 4:56 pm by Rampant.A.I..)
(April 27, 2014 at 4:12 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: In the bible god interacts with the 'natural' world all the time, doesn't it? Looks like Frodo's god is by definition not the God of the bible. Notice the straw-manning and goalpost moving behavior above: Question: "How is it rational to reject most supernatural entities as nonexistent but accept one as existent when the evidence is equally lacking for all of them? Is it not more rational to reject belief in all supernatural entities?" Answer: "Supernatural entities can't have evidence, therefore your question is invalid." Really? That's equivalent to stating: "Unicorns don't exist, but leprechauns do." "Why?" "Because belief in unicorns is irrational." "Why?" "Because you can't have evidence of the supernatural." It's not even wrong. Quote:The phrase not even wrong describes any argument that purports to be scientific but fails at some fundamental level, usually in that it contains a terminal logical fallacy or it cannot be falsified by experiment (i.e. tested with the possibility of being rejected), or cannot be used to make predictions about the natural world. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong Summary: OP believes in entities lacking evidence because he believes, and disbelieves in entities lacking evidence because he disbelieves. OP defines this as "rational" :. Therefore atheism "irrational" because it equally disbelieves all entities lacking evidence. Now: how does the OP explain the fact that he does not believe in any supernatural entity other than his deity, but also an atheist to every other deity ever believed in? Partial list: [quote]Aphrodite - Z - Zeus http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/..._index.htm By what method is one an atheist of all deities, expect for one? 
"Why do I believe that God does not exist?"
I don't know God, but I believe he exists in the minds of all who believe in him. God exists in the same way that my son's stuffed animal wanted a glass of water last night at bed-time. He exists in the way ghosts make creaky noises in my mother's attic. God exists in the way that people think there was a good reason for their child to die from cancer. God occupies the same domain as these kinds of things and many MANY more. Some of them are mutually exclusive and incompatible, but that is the nature of the word "God". The definition of God represents reality in the minds of those who agree with each other about how fantasies should be interpreted so as to perpetuate a shared delusion. "A dialogue with only one person is a monologue."  RE: Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
April 27, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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(April 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Well you've proved that you have little understanding of the English language or logical fallacy, so this would be a rare catch for you. Is there a better term for when a conclusion is assumed, maybe a loaded question. Or your stupid poll with the "doctrine of belief that there is no god " what the fuck is wrong with you? It's like you tried your hardest to not understand an atheists position. (April 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So how do you think the question should have been worded? Both questions beg the question in the first place. An intellectual honest person would have asked it like this; Atheists, why do you believe there is no god? because it doesn't assume that there's a god to reject. You start with the default presumption that there is no assumption of a god. (April 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: 1. That's not correct English Your position is that you assume god exists and try to make us answer a loaded question with a fallacious poll.
If the hypothetical idea of an afterlife means more to you than the objectively true reality we all share, then you deserve no respect.
 fr0d0 Wrote:NO SUPERNATURAL ENTITY CAN POSSIBLY HAVE NATURAL EVIDENCE OF ITS EXISTENCE. If something has an impact on the natural world, it should leave evidence of its existence. If supernatural forces don't leave evidence, then I can't imagine them doing anything substantial, so they may as well not exist. Why should anyone base their lives and beliefs around something that can't possibly be proven true?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
April 27, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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(April 27, 2014 at 4:09 pm)rasetsu Wrote: This is simply false. A supernatural entity may leave natural evidence. It's being supernatural only means that some aspects of it cannot be explained naturally. A rock that supernaturally produces gold when you rub it would leave plenty of natural evidence in the form of gold. It sounds like you're making up your own definition of the word supernatural. Even God could leave behind natural evidence in the form of healed amputees. I think you're confused. You're splitting hairs. That evidence left would have to be natural. Could the supernatural cause leave any natural evidence that it was the creator: no. You could never know. Where is the confusion? (April 27, 2014 at 4:14 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Thing is pokie, you don't know what it is your looking for. Do you see me enter serious conversations with people discussing religion/faith/belief ever? No? Those are where those points are examined. We go into detail and see if we can each find flaw in each others position. I'm confident in my rational stance and am as open as I can be to truth. If you think that you can challenge anything I say then you're very welcome to do so. I'm very grateful for challenges, as I believe I should always try to be skeptical. In this instance, for example, on the nature of God being supernatural.... I'm addressing the challenge that people here are arguing that God should be evident from his actions in our reality. I've stated my case that that idea is illogical. This question arose from rumpy stating that I should have more 'evidence' for my supernatural being than any other supernatural being. The error he committed, and then compounded, is that I never said that there could be the evidence he demands of any supernatural entity : that beings without the ability to detect the supernatural could ever detect it. My point is won. This aspect of God is proven to be true using logic. Do you see?  Quote:Could the supernatural cause leave any natural evidence that it was the creator: no. Then, it is also incapable of creating the physical universe.  |
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