(April 29, 2014 at 1:53 am)lordofgemini Wrote:

(April 28, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: To lordofgemini : where are you from ?

Why do you ask o.o
Well from the best possible place ever. #sarcasm PAKISTAN:p

wow, after seeing all the extreme shit that comes with religion , you're still religious .

I asked because I have an opinion which is : If you're not in a muslim country, you won't see the worst that comes with Islam .

(April 29, 2014 at 8:39 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote:

(April 29, 2014 at 1:53 am)lordofgemini Wrote: Why do you ask o.o
Well from the best possible place ever. #sarcasm PAKISTAN:p

wow, after seeing all the extreme shit the comes with religion , you're still religious .

I asked because I have an opinion which is : If you're not in a muslim country, you won't see the worst that comes with Islam .

Brother you are very right about the fact that I have actually seen the worst possible shit that people do in the name of 'Islam'.
And your opinion is also true to some extent.

But I had like to point out a few things. Please don't generalize religions. And don't judge a religion by its falsely claimed followers. If you look at what it teaches I am sure you won't be disappointed. Right now true Islam is only followed by less then 10% of the Muslims.

And being religious doesn't hurt me one bit. Enjoying life :p

(April 29, 2014 at 9:17 am)lordofgemini Wrote:

(April 29, 2014 at 8:39 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: wow, after seeing all the extreme shit the comes with religion , you're still religious .

I asked because I have an opinion which is : If you're not in a muslim country, you won't see the worst that comes with Islam .

Brother you are very right about the fact that I have actually seen the worst possible shit that people do in the name of 'Islam'.
And your opinion is also true to some extent.

But I had like to point out a few things. Please don't generalize religions. And don't judge a religion by its falsely claimed followers. If you look at what it teaches I am sure you won't be disappointed. Right now true Islam is only followed by less then 10% of the Muslims.

And being religious doesn't hurt me one bit. Enjoying life :p

I don't know if you read my intro or not , but I used to be a muslim for a pretty long time and I read the Quran alot and I know the teachings of Islam .
Don't take this the wrong way, its my personal opinion that the Quran is piece of shit; filled with hatred, violence and a few fairy tales, and the teachings of Islam make no sense .

(April 29, 2014 at 9:40 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: I don't know if you read my intro or not , but I used to be a muslim for a pretty long time and I read the Quran alot and I know the teaching of Islam .
Don't take this the wrong way, its my personal opinion that the Quran is piece of shit; filled with hatred, violence and a few fairy tales, and the teachings of Islam make no sense .

What intro O.O

Umm I am pretty sure then you must know Quran is not a literal book. And if you haven't had read the tafseer then you are taking the literal approach.

Brother i dont know what teaching doesnt make sense to you i am a bit confused. Teaching like, never lie, be kind, treat everyone equaled, don't be a resist, no incest, give charity, feed the poor. I don't think these teachings doesn't make sense.

And dear brother being religious is a win win deal.
Consider, if what you say would be true which is not true, in such case, we all will be equal. Our fasting, prayers, giving charity and belief will not harm us.
If what we say would be true, which, in fact, is true then you will be the one facing your destruction and we will be saved

(April 29, 2014 at 10:46 am)lordofgemini Wrote: Umm I am pretty sure then you must know Quran is not a literal book. And if you haven't had read the tafseer then you are taking the literal approach.

Well , Its Quran's fault not being literal , i'm a very literal person myself . what do you think ? I think its god's fault(if he did exist), knowing that I will be such a literal person in the end and still bring his religion in such a poetic way filled with metaphors and has the big possibility of being interpreted differently from one person to another . I think that god is an idiot , wait a second.... If god is an idiot , then he is not a god, then he doesn't exist in the first place . THINK ABOUT IT .

(April 29, 2014 at 10:46 am)lordofgemini Wrote: Brother i dont know what teaching doesnt make sense to you i am a bit confused. Teaching like, never lie, be kind, treat everyone equaled, don't be a resist, no incest, give charity, feed the poor. I don't think these teachings doesn't make sense.

Yeah yeah yeah, bring on the nice cute parts of the teachings, ignore stuff like, kill the infidels, the Christians are going to hell forever, cut his hand if he steals , stone her to death if she sleeps with him before marriage, kill the homosexuals, and the list goes on .
Please don't bring me excuses for these things, I heard the excuses and they also make no sense .

(April 29, 2014 at 10:46 am)lordofgemini Wrote: And dear brother being religious is a win win deal.
Consider, if what you say would be true which is not true, in such case, we all will be equal. Our fasting, prayers, giving charity and belief will not harm us.
If what we say would be true, which, in fact, is true then you will be the one facing your destruction and we will be saved

I don't care if its a peaceful religion for you, ITS NOT FOR OTHERS, why ?? Remember the different interpretation part that I just talked about ??

Much wow. So much hatred >_<
Yes its not peacefull for the others because they just follow the Quran. In interpret it in their own ways, become extremist, literalist and what not.
The prophets said
'I leave you two weighty things, if you follow both you will never go astray after me; the Book of Allah and my Ahlul Bayt'
Tbh I think you were never told about the ahlul bayt. And I feel sorry for you in that regard.
Prophets simply said if u only follow the Quran in your own way you WILL go astray. That's why we see so many killings and Talibans, Alqaida etc etc.

So that's an order of god for someone as simple as you. So things make sense for you.

Fine I won't bring excuses. I will just state the reasons.

Christians as long as follow true Christianity will go to heavens
Quran Surat al-Maida, 69
Those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabaeans and the Christians, all who believe in Allah and the Last Day and act rightly will feel no fear and will know no sorrow.

KillinG infidels. Yes there is a verse that literally means this. But I am sorry no follower of Ahlulbayt and quran will kill any infidel or innocent. Unlinke the literalist Taliban. Which you think is Islam. :/

Kill homos where did u get the idea. In sharia law if they are found doing the act openly in public then only they are considered to be punished.

Stone her. And Him. ONLY If they are already married and then does the act. And had been seen by two trustworthy witnesses.
Before marriage there is no death penalty.

Cutting hand. Again you don't understand. Sharia law is strict. I know. But the intensity of the crime decides it. Like if a person steals out of desperation will be done to him. If he steal something small it depends on the judge if to cut his little part of finger etc. This law where implemented who'll reduce stealing to Almost none.

P.s. can you define the God you used believe in?

(April 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Much wow. So much hatred >_<
Yes its not peacefull for the others because they just follow the Quran. In interpret it in their own ways, become extremist, literalist and what not.
The prophets said
'I leave you two weighty things, if you follow both you will never go astray after me; the Book of Allah and my Ahlul Bayt'
Tbh I think you were never told about the ahlul bayt. And I feel sorry for you in that regard.
Prophets simply said if u only follow the Quran in your own way you WILL go astray. That's why we see so many killings and Talibans, Alqaida etc etc.

Wrong, its 'I leave you two weighty things, if you follow both you will never go astray after me; the Book of Allah and my Sunnah'
Sunnah : Is Muhammeds' deeds . Things that muslims should follow , stuff like raging wars on other villages and fucking a 9 years old girl , and oh yeah being good and peaceful to others, almost forgot that last one .

(April 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: So that's an order of god for someone as simple as you. So things make sense for you.

An underlying insult of how simple minded I am, thats cute .

(April 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Christians as long as follow true Christianity will go to heavens
Quran Surat al-Maida, 69
Those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabaeans and the Christians, all who believe in Allah and the Last Day and act rightly will feel no fear and will know no sorrow.

yeah, I forgot to also mention that Quran is filled with so many contradictions...., here are some parts of the Quran that you may have missed [Some Quran passages considering violence and hatred]

(April 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: KillinG infidels. Yes there is a verse that literally means this. But I am sorry no follower of Ahlulbayt and quran will kill any infidel or innocent. Unlinke the literalist Taliban. Which you think is Islam. :/

So, you think that the people who literally follow the Quran are not muslims ? LOL

(April 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Kill homos where did u get the idea. In sharia law if they are found doing the act openly in public then only they are considered to be punished.

Stone her. And Him. ONLY If they are already married and then does the act. And had been seen by two trustworthy witnesses.
Before marriage there is no death penalty.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-24208.html, read number 6 in the first post . and btw its 4 trustworthy witnesses not 2 .

(April 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Cutting hand. Again you don't understand. Sharia law is strict. I know. But the intensity of the crime decides it. Like if a person steals out of desperation will be done to him. If he steal something small it depends on the judge if to cut his little part of finger etc. This law where implemented who'll reduce stealing to Almost none.

Leaving cutting hands and how big the case is to the different interpretations of the people .


PS : I'm from Egypt(a muslim country) . I read about Islam alot . I have been told THE WHOLE THING .

1. The hadith you quoted was never in the sahih Bukhari. Its a both the hadith are present. But according to us its the ahlulbayt which is present in more sources as well more authentic. If you don't mind then do read this

http://www.al-islam.org/hadith-al-thaqal...ons-hadith


2. As for 9 year old myth
Plz read the first link in the 5th post here
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/2349...and-aisha/

3. Well for me yeap. I don't consider literalist Muslims, more like true Muslims. Like Al qaida. Taliban , sipah shabah.

4. Oh yes thanks for correcting me. I read your post.

5. Since you have been told the whole thing and you didn't find it satisfying at all. And also looking at your post. I suggest just for the matter of learning look its 12wer shia Islam. From its own sources. Not from anti shia articles or links. I bet you will find why you left Islam, and you have never been told the 'truth'.

I am terribly sorry if I offended you.and I can't open the link seems like its banned in my country.

Anyhow I have read the Quran. Again please don't read the Quran literally and search into the ahlul bayt.

Salam.

use a VPN , If you have trouble getting to some banned sites . There is a "chrome Add on" for that purpose also .

or just use a proxy http://www.hidemyass.com/

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