(May 10, 2014 at 4:22 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: Using the bible to prove the bible, or Harry Potter books to prove Harry Potter books, is about as circular reasoning as you can get.

No it's not. The writer of those books clams to be writing fiction. The writers of the bible claimed to be writing truth, you just decided that you don't believe them. I guess if they were written by pagans or atheists they would then be true.

(May 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 4:22 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: Using the bible to prove the bible, or Harry Potter books to prove Harry Potter books, is about as circular reasoning as you can get.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

Bible = claim, not evidence.

And what the fuck is the difference whether the author claims their writings to be fiction or non-fiction? Explain to me again how that makes the bible not a claim?

Think before you write, yeah? All this shit about 'oh but if it was an atheist who was writing bullshit we'd automatically believe it!' Crap.

(May 10, 2014 at 5:26 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Lek Wrote: No it's not.

Yes it is.

Bible = claim, not evidence.

And what the fuck is the difference whether the author claims their writings to be fiction or non-fiction? Explain to me again how that makes the bible not a claim?

Think before you write, yeah? All this shit about 'oh but if it was an atheist who was writing bullshit we'd automatically believe it!' Crap.

You just verified what I said. You simply choose not to believe it. You want someone other than a christian to write about him before you'll accept it as truth.

(May 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 4:22 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: Using the bible to prove the bible, or Harry Potter books to prove Harry Potter books, is about as circular reasoning as you can get.

No it's not. The writer of those books clams to be writing fiction. The writers of the bible claimed to be writing truth, you just decided that you don't believe them. I guess if they were written by pagans or atheists they would then be true.

The writer of the quran claimed to be writing the truth too, and just about every other religious book in circulation, so practically every religion must be true if we use your circular logic...

(May 10, 2014 at 5:47 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: The writer of the quran claimed to be writing the truth too, and just about every other religious book in circulation, so practically every religion must be true if we use your circular logic...

That is true. Faith is a spiritual thing. We do have to respond to God's call in order to believe. Just reading all the documents from various religions and then deciding which sounds more like the truth doesn't work.

At least you don't deny it's circular logic.

(May 10, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 5:26 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Yes it is.

Bible = claim, not evidence.

And what the fuck is the difference whether the author claims their writings to be fiction or non-fiction? Explain to me again how that makes the bible not a claim?

Think before you write, yeah? All this shit about 'oh but if it was an atheist who was writing bullshit we'd automatically believe it!' Crap.

You just verified what I said. You simply choose not to believe it. You want someone other than a christian to write about him before you'll accept it as truth.

(May 10, 2014 at 5:54 pm)Lek Wrote: That is true. Faith is a spiritual thing. We do have to respond to God's call in order to believe. Just reading all the documents from various religions and then deciding which sounds more like the truth doesn't work.

How is this functionally different from simply deciding which god you believe in based upon you simply wanting it to be the right one?

(May 10, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 5:26 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Yes it is.

Bible = claim, not evidence.

And what the fuck is the difference whether the author claims their writings to be fiction or non-fiction? Explain to me again how that makes the bible not a claim?

Think before you write, yeah? All this shit about 'oh but if it was an atheist who was writing bullshit we'd automatically believe it!' Crap.

You just verified what I said. You simply choose not to believe it. You want someone other than a christian to write about him before you'll accept it as truth.

Are you ill? I mean, do you have full cognitive abilities? I'm asking because I can't for the life of me see how your reply answers my question or how it relates to anything I posted

What I want is evidence, not the same nonsensical drivel posted by people who I suspect might be mentally hilarious.

The bible is a claim, not evidence. All this bullshit about 'choosing not to believe' just makes you seem a fool, not that it wasn't already self-evident.

On a side note, if you're the best your version of whatever god it is you want to suck the dick of has to offer, then son, I am disappoint. Again, you've got a brain right? Try using yeah? Maybe you want to try putting that vast reserve of intellectual prowess to good work in answering why an author who claims to be writing 'the truth' is somehow not making a claim?

(May 10, 2014 at 5:54 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 5:47 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: The writer of the quran claimed to be writing the truth too, and just about every other religious book in circulation, so practically every religion must be true if we use your circular logic...

That is true. Faith is a spiritual thing. We do have to respond to God's call in order to believe. Just reading all the documents from various religions and then deciding which sounds more like the truth doesn't work.

Brother are you circumcised?