What is inside us is a mystery. When we give it names, and forms, and personalities, we have forgotten the mystery.

I just wanted to take this moment to share another awkward but proud parenting moment. My daughter Leli and my aunt
Leli- well if god is real then where is he?
Aunt- he lives in you, Leli, he's in your heart
Leli-*look of horror and disgust* How do I get him out!?!? That's nasty. He has germs!

(May 10, 2014 at 6:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Currently I am at a hospital. About 3 weeks ago, I had a discussion with one of the workers who turned out to believe in God without religion like me. She said she believes God lives inside us all. I know what she meant and she made the point not to take it too literally.

I remember the scene from the Lion King where Rafeeki tells Simba that his father lives within him.

I feel this is the case with God. God is like the sword of the soul, the spiritual guide, but our access to him is imperfect.

If we are connected to God, how would I explain atheism? I think it might be like the case where atheists are being held by God, God lives within them, and they are connected to this reality, but they just fail to recognize the phenomenon. They take all the mystical presence as a natural phenomenon.

But the believers witnesses something incredible instead. He witnesses the real existing of the universal spirit (god) and it's living reality within us. The howness of this witnessing is hard to explain, but the witness is not only the effect but the link to the source and consequently the existence of the source. It's witnessing is not just a concept in the mind but be consumed into an existence where one is existence but non-existence, manifesting the universal existence. This is by being consumed into the existence of the divine as if witnessing yourself, you witness that being, because you exist through it and you are of that existence.

It lives inside of us to the extent we can witness each passing moment is caused by it's very existent. It's not our existence that keeps existing, it's his.

But most of all, it's a direct witnessing. It's process where there is no argument or effect that needs to be witnessed aside from the divine existing.

I wonder how many Theists believe God lives within us like I and her do?

From an Atheistic perspective, is this simply dismissed or do you think it's plausible your perspective is not in tune with the divine because of other factors?

I think that if you believe in something with utter devotion, sometimes your mind can make things up out of thin air. Just like hypochondriacs do with illness.. I think in their mind they actually believe they are hurt and their brain even makes them feel pain. I remember a while back i was hanging lights for my grandma for "Christmas" and had a few nails in-between my lips to hold them. I remember taking a big breath in then loosing grip of the nails. I thought i had aspirated a nail.. but wasn't sure.. Throughout that whole night all i could think of was "what if there's a nail inside my lung" I actually started feeling pain in my chest, even my breathing got raspy. The next day i went to the hospital.. had ex rays done.. guess what? no nail. I instantly stopped feeling pain in my chest area and felt extremely dumb. The nurse told me it happens all the time..

The brain can be a tricky thing.. To answer your question, no i don't think god is living inside me. Just like i don't think god is living inside an insect.. or a fish. I think us humans want to feel special.. create something that differs from other animals on this planet. But in the end, i think the world is just as black and white as we see it. No magic. No fairy tales. All we can do is grow and learn.. and i think religion just holds us back.

Just my 2 cents.

(May 10, 2014 at 6:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Currently I am at a hospital. About 3 weeks ago, I had a discussion with one of the workers who turned out to believe in God without religion like me. She said she believes God lives inside us all. I know what she meant and she made the point not to take it too literally.

I remember the scene from the Lion King where Rafeeki tells Simba that his father lives within him.

I feel this is the case with God. God is like the sword of the soul, the spiritual guide, but our access to him is imperfect.

If we are connected to God, how would I explain atheism? I think it might be like the case where atheists are being held by God, God lives within them, and they are connected to this reality, but they just fail to recognize the phenomenon. They take all the mystical presence as a natural phenomenon.

But the believers witnesses something incredible instead. He witnesses the real existing of the universal spirit (god) and it's living reality within us. The howness of this witnessing is hard to explain, but the witness is not only the effect but the link to the source and consequently the existence of the source. It's witnessing is not just a concept in the mind but be consumed into an existence where one is existence but non-existence, manifesting the universal existence. This is by being consumed into the existence of the divine as if witnessing yourself, you witness that being, because you exist through it and you are of that existence.

It lives inside of us to the extent we can witness each passing moment is caused by it's very existent. It's not our existence that keeps existing, it's his.

But most of all, it's a direct witnessing. It's process where there is no argument or effect that needs to be witnessed aside from the divine existing.

I wonder how many Theists believe God lives within us like I and her do?

From an Atheistic perspective, is this simply dismissed or do you think it's plausible your perspective is not in tune with the divine because of other factors?

What kind of God are you thinking about that lives within you? The deities in the Bible and the Koran don't live in people.

I think a leprechaun lives in me or maybe it's a unicorn.

(May 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

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I think if God would write words in the sky saying he exists, it would make faith dry and too easy and dull.

I think faith in the unseen and the unseen journey is a more enriching experience.

I feel this is a major difference I have with atheists. I don't want some sort of mathematical proof of God's existence or miracles showing he exists. I rather have this inner reflection and reflection of the divine and build a relationship on God through faith in his unseen names and attributes that seem like foundation to my existence.

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I rather have this non-evidence universe.

That is why you are not a skeptic, which is one of the ways many people find themselves with an atheistic position, but not the only way.

However, until you claim that your personal subjective experience is a reason for others to share your beliefs, good on ya, and I hope your philosophy towards life brings you happiness.

God is certainly inside you, in a special place we call your imagination. Well done for recognising that.

(May 11, 2014 at 1:39 am)max-greece Wrote: God is certainly inside you, in a special place we call your imagination. Well done for recognising that.

All gods are imaginary. They can live wherever a person wants them to live and act however a person wants them to act. They are the ultimate toy.

MK, that's your Muslim upbringing creeping up.
Pay it no mind.

(May 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think if God would write words in the sky saying he exists, it would make faith dry and too easy and dull.

Theists say this all the time, and it just baffles the hell out of me, and I think I can demonstrate why with a bit of ad libbing.

"I think if God would write words in the sky saying he exists, it would make pretending to know things I don't know dry and too easy and dull."

Quote:I think faith in the unseen and the unseen journey is a more enriching experience.

"I think pretending to know things I don't know about the unseen and the unseen journey is a more enriching experience."

There we go. Why is faith so important? Why do all you believers have to sit there and act like it's so desperately vital that the things you pretend to know about be really, really unbelievable? What's the deal here?

Quote:I feel this is a major difference I have with atheists. I don't want some sort of mathematical proof of God's existence or miracles showing he exists. I rather have this inner reflection and reflection of the divine and build a relationship on God through faith in his unseen names and attributes that seem like foundation to my existence.

I rather have this non-evidence universe.

You would rather pretend to know things that make you comfortable, rather than accepting things that are evidenced and true. I get why that'd be appealing, but surely you understand why it's not at all compelling as an argument?