(May 10, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Chas Wrote: Yes, what you are missing is the social responsibility of business owners and the immorality of our taxes going into their pockets.

The most efficient means of the wealth redistribution is the direct one - require businesses to pay a living wage. Cut out the middleman.

Its not more efficient because it ignores the people who can't find jobs or otherwise earn a living. You going to let those people starve? Of course not. Now you have to have 2 means of wealth redistribution.

It is more efficient when you have one means of redistribution...and you only need one means. Living wage requirements are simply unnecessary.

(May 10, 2014 at 11:08 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Chas Wrote: Yes, what you are missing is the social responsibility of business owners and the immorality of our taxes going into their pockets.

The most efficient means of the wealth redistribution is the direct one - require businesses to pay a living wage. Cut out the middleman.

Its not more efficient because it ignores the people who can't find jobs or otherwise earn a living. You going to let those people starve? Of course not. Now you have to have 2 means of wealth redistribution.

It is more efficient when you have one means of redistribution...and you only need one means. Living wage requirements are simply unnecessary.

Well, that's a good point.

(May 10, 2014 at 2:50 am)KUSA Wrote: Why should anybody be forced to provide anything for anyone? This includes businesses, governments, and private individuals.

Why should I be forced to pay money for this apartment I live in?

(May 11, 2014 at 12:22 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 2:50 am)KUSA Wrote: Why should anybody be forced to provide anything for anyone? This includes businesses, governments, and private individuals.

Why should I be forced to pay money for this apartment I live in?

Who is forcing you to live there?

(May 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 9:46 am)LostLocke Wrote: So, if from this point forward, all private business decided they were going to pay their employees $1 an hour for their work, that would be ok?
If not, why not?
I mean, the business is just providing the nut.

Business would not do that(unless their was some massive deflation). The couldn't attract enough employees.

They wouldn't need to.
If all businesses are paying $1 an hour, your choice is to work for that or not work.

(May 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm)Heywood Wrote: The natural state of homosapiens is to work until their nut is made. Its not the employers responsibility to lift man from their natural state any more than it is the streams responsibility to provide enough salmon. If it is anyone's responsibility it is the states.

I loathe these natural state arguments. Nothing in nature prevents me from killing someone and relieving them of their possessions. Your move.

(May 11, 2014 at 10:11 am)Cato Wrote: I loathe these natural state arguments. Nothing in nature prevents me from killing someone and relieving them of their possessions. Your move.

A function of the state is to prevent you from doing that. If there is a entity responsible for preventing your from starving/freezing to death, it would be the state.

(May 11, 2014 at 11:00 am)Heywood Wrote:

(May 11, 2014 at 10:11 am)Cato Wrote: I loathe these natural state arguments. Nothing in nature prevents me from killing someone and relieving them of their possessions. Your move.

A function of the state is to prevent you from doing that. If there is a entity responsible for preventing your from starving/freezing to death, it would be the state.

Since when has the state done it's job? Last I checked this is America land of the lazy, land of the ignorant, land of the cheap.

I was a homeless veteran for 3-years living out of an alley way behind a starbucks.

State wouldn't help, they kept pointing the finger at the Government, I'd go to the Government and they would tell me I am the state's problem.

One always points elsewhere and no one does what they are SUPPOSE to do.

All those "homeless shelters", "food pantry's" were a colossal joke.

When it comes down to it, your Employer, State, and Government will do the bare-bone-minimal to assist you if at all, and believe you me they will fight to the bitter end to not help.

I have been to 45 states in America, I have been to Canada, Germany, Costa Rica, and Afghanistan. Aside from Afghanistan I have to say I like america the absolute least. Bottom dollar land.

Only here can one work there butts off, slave away, and never get anything but bone minimum in a land of "opportunity"

Nostalgia about old times of slavery isn't that surprising to me, to hear from a theist

(May 11, 2014 at 11:59 am)BlackSwordsman Wrote: Only here can one work there butts off, slave away, and never get anything but bone minimum in a land of "opportunity"

That's why Mexico has such an illegal immigration problem from Americans crossing the border to get there.