Creationists disregard evolution out of ignorance or personal feelings.

- They haven't studied evolution and they are too afraid too, as the evidence is so convincing.
- Sometimes, they just prefer to think that 'god' made them with a purpose to just make them feel special.

Animals that adapt to their environment over time is something that every creature has the ability to do. The unusual types and varieties of animals isolated on an island for many years shows that happening. This should be called adaptation, not evolution. Even though the appearance and habits of a group of particular animals can change over time if isolated long enough, they don't change into a different type of mating species. If one particular animal did experience a sleight change genetically, it could not mate with any of it's family to carry on the variation. The genetic similarity of animals excludes any but minor changes to the animal over time. Any changes that alter the animals ability to mate will exclude that change for future generations. That animal will not find a compatible mate.

(May 11, 2014 at 2:22 pm)RDK Wrote: Animals that adapt to their environment over time is something that every creature has the ability to do. The unusual types and varieties of animals isolated on an island for many years shows that happening. This should be called adaptation, not evolution. Even though the appearance and habits of a group of particular animals can change over time if isolated long enough, they don't change into a different type of mating species. If one particular animal did experience a sleight change genetically, it could not mate with any of it's family to carry on the variation. The genetic similarity of animals excludes any but minor changes to the animal over time. Any changes that alter the animals ability to mate will exclude that change for future generations. That animal will not find a compatible mate.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that evolution is something that happens to individual organisms. It isn't. It is something that happens to populations of organisms.

More support for the OP.

Boru

Let's see how long you live without a needed heart or liver. Suppose that YOUR brain had not made anywhere near your skull. Would you have ever existed? Try assembling an animal from scratch without the important life providing parts it needs. One part at a time-no life!

(May 11, 2014 at 2:30 pm)RDK Wrote: Suppose that YOUR brain had not made anywhere near your skull.

Irrelevant, considering that is not the way we evolved. One should not concern himself with what did not happen, but instead with what did happen.

Populations of organisms do not change collectively, but individually. One animal will be born with a minor change to it's body that can be passed on genetically to it's children. These adaptive changes brought on by environmental conditions can't alter it's ability to mate or the change will not continue onward. The species doesn't change, only it's form and/or function.

(May 11, 2014 at 2:22 pm)RDK Wrote: Animals that adapt to their environment over time is something that every creature has the ability to do.

I don't get it. I told you, I literally told you on the other page that evolution happens to populations and not individual creatures. Why are you still persisting with this argument?

What is wrong with you?

Quote: The unusual types and varieties of animals isolated on an island for many years shows that happening. This should be called adaptation, not evolution. Even though the appearance and habits of a group of particular animals can change over time if isolated long enough, they don't change into a different type of mating species.

Yes, they do. Look up Diane Dodd's fruit fly experiments, where that is exactly what happened.

Quote: If one particular animal did experience a sleight change genetically, it could not mate with any of it's family to carry on the variation.

Do you understand how stupid that sounds? Are you a direct, identical clone of your parents? No? Then you have several slight genetic changes when compared to your family already. Hell, every human being is born with about sixty different mutations, just from the start, and we can breed just fine. You're talking nonsense.

Quote: The genetic similarity of animals excludes any but minor changes to the animal over time.

You have just literally described evolution with this sentence: minor changes occurring over time. You did it by accident.

The only way a theist can say something correct about evolution is by accident.

Quote: Any changes that alter the animals ability to mate will exclude that change for future generations. That animal will not find a compatible mate.

That is what you'd call a "failure state," and that animal would die off as per the rules of natural selection. The ones that survive, obviously, are the ones who can breed.

Quote:Let's see how long you live without a needed heart or liver. Suppose that YOUR brain had not made anywhere near your skull. Would you have ever existed? Try assembling an animal from scratch without the important life providing parts it needs. One part at a time-no life!

What is wrong with you?

Quote:Populations of organisms do not change collectively, but individually. One animal will be born with a minor change to it's body that can be passed on genetically to it's children. These adaptive changes brought on by environmental conditions can't alter it's ability to mate or the change will not continue onward. The species doesn't change, only it's form and/or function.

Mhmm, and all of those individual animals don't always change the same way, they branch off as different changes occur and mix through populations of the animal in different ways. Hence, the species changes when those alterations have accumulated to such a degree that the animal no longer looks, acts, or is genetically similar to, the organism it started from. If you keep changing and changing, eventually you'll be completely different, duh.

(May 11, 2014 at 2:30 pm)RDK Wrote: Let's see how long you live without a needed heart or liver. Suppose that YOUR brain had not made anywhere near your skull. Would you have ever existed? Try assembling an animal from scratch without the important life providing parts it needs. One part at a time-no life!

Again, that is neither what evolution does, nor how it works. What the function of a particular organ is today may not have been the original function of that organ, or of the precursor to that organ.

Suppose I were to make the claim, 'Jesus cannot be the savior of mankind, due to the number of people he ordered to be burned at the stake.' You could, at this point, rightly accuse me of either ignorance or falsehood regarding Jesus. More importantly, my claim that Jesus burned people isn't a good refutation of Jesus' being the savior, since it is a false claim. Similarly, your claim that evolution doesn't work because whole 'part' could not have appeared fully formed without divine guidance is not a good refutation of biological evolution - it is a false claim, since evolution doesn't require fully formed parts to appear in situ.

Boru

(May 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What is wrong with you?

Theistic faith.

The ideas that am presenting here are not difficult to comprehend. In order to understand what is happening to us now, we have to understand how it started.
Consider a single cell organism that doesn't require a mate to propagate. Out of the ooze of non life comes a living creature. IMPOSSIBLE! You must consider that each of the component parts that make up that creature had to be working from the start, SIMULTANEOUSLY! If a cell could live with half of it's necessary parts missing, how did it manage to live years later while waiting for the needed ones to evolve? It couldn't. All of those NECESSARY parts are needed TOGETHER, AT THE SAME TIME, in order to be ALIVE!
Most all animals around us are complete LIVING units that can't wait for new life altering parts to arrive. They simply had to be assembled as complete working mechanisms, not collections of un-aggregated pieces waiting to be assembled so that they can live.