(May 26, 2014 at 9:04 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 23, 2014 at 3:32 pm)Losty Wrote: I think 24 weeks is important because the nervous system is developed. The fetus is not a sentient being. I don't know about thought but it can definitely feel pain and that's a pretty important limit. We, as people, kill non people all the time and no one ever cares unless we do it in a way that causes that non person a lot of unnecessary pain.

I think its important that human beings be prevented from killing other human beings....but that is just my whacked out conserve-tard opinion.

I don't think it's immoral to kill 'human beings' as long as they're not people.
I don't like the word tard and I would never call you that. It's just a difference of opinion. I think yours sucks and you think mine sucks. C'est la vie.

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I don't know if you've ever heard the opinions are like assholes thing.....
If you want to debate you'll need facts or evident a or something. Otherwise just stating your opinion is useless. I mean, we already know how you feel about it.

(May 26, 2014 at 9:07 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: A fetus is not a human being, and that is an intellectual observation.

(May 26, 2014 at 9:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: Until viability it is not a human being, or a baby.

You guys need to take some biology classes.

(May 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: You guys need to take some biology classes.

No need, because I can already ascertain that you are reaching for the same illogical argument that a former theist had a propensity for doing.

Is the fetus of human origin? Is it comprised of human DNA? Certainly, without a doubt.

It being human, however, does not make it a human being as defined by personhood. Personhood is not recognized until it is born, though some could argue that it is not fully recognized until the individual has reached the conscious awareness of self.

(May 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 9:07 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: A fetus is not a human being, and that is an intellectual observation.

(May 26, 2014 at 9:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: Until viability it is not a human being, or a baby.

You guys need to take some biology classes.

I must have missed those while I was at med-school.

Dammit!

(May 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 9:07 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: A fetus is not a human being, and that is an intellectual observation.

(May 26, 2014 at 9:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: Until viability it is not a human being, or a baby.

You guys need to take some biology classes.

Again, Heywood, under the definition you're attempting to equivocate on, a corpse is also a human. Can I murder a corpse? Or is there more to this than genetics and life cycles?

(May 26, 2014 at 10:16 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't think it's immoral to kill 'human beings' as long as they're not people.
I don't like the word tard and I would never call you that. It's just a difference of opinion. I think yours sucks and you think mine sucks. C'est la vie.

People said it wasn't immoral to kill native americans...they weren't people...they were savages. The problem with your position is it is completely arbitrary.....these human beings are okay to kill....these aren't. I don't make an arbitrary choice on which human beings are okay to kill and which aren't.

(May 26, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: You guys need to take some biology classes.

I must have missed those while I was at med-school.

Dammit!

Can I just kiss you right now? I'm going to go with yes, so please don't slap me


I've given up on the human being debate with Heywood.

He refuses to tell what his criteria is for a human being or how he come to the conclusion that a fetus is a human being. The reason for this is because he knows that if we apply his
has human DNA and is a living being definition honestly that means not only is a fetus a human being, but you're also killing innocent human beings every time you scratch your arm to hard or brush your hair too roughly or have a mole removed.

(May 26, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: You guys need to take some biology classes.

I must have missed those while I was at med-school.

Dammit!

Maybe some remedial C.E. units might help.

(May 26, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 10:16 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't think it's immoral to kill 'human beings' as long as they're not people.
I don't like the word tard and I would never call you that. It's just a difference of opinion. I think yours sucks and you think mine sucks. C'est la vie.

People said it wasn't immoral to kill native americans...they weren't people...they were savages. The problem with your position is it is completely arbitrary.....these human beings are okay to kill....these aren't. I don't make an arbitrary choice on which human beings are okay to kill and which aren't.

Heywood that is the most asinine thing I have heard you say in a while. Someone can say Native Americans aren't people, but that would be a lie. I say a fetus isn't a person because that is a fucking fact. Put your brain on straight your idiocy is spilling out again.

(May 26, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 10:16 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't think it's immoral to kill 'human beings' as long as they're not people.
I don't like the word tard and I would never call you that. It's just a difference of opinion. I think yours sucks and you think mine sucks. C'est la vie.

People said it wasn't immoral to kill native americans...they weren't people...they were savages. The problem with your position is it is completely arbitrary.....these human beings are okay to kill....these aren't. I don't make an arbitrary choice on which human beings are okay to kill and which aren't.

Yes they did, and the majority who did so were Christians . . . but I digress. Those were living, breathing people, not fetuses still dependant on their mothers' bodies, for their biological needs.

Subtle difference, I know . . .

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(May 26, 2014 at 10:45 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: I must have missed those while I was at med-school.

Dammit!

Maybe some remedial C.E. units might help.

Nah, too busy splitting my time between A&E and other duties. I passed my biology classes - hence I graduated.

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(May 26, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Losty Wrote:

(May 26, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: I must have missed those while I was at med-school.

Dammit!

Can I just kiss you right now? I'm going to go with yes, so please don't slap me


I've given up on the human being debate with Heywood.

He refuses to tell what his criteria is for a human being or how he come to the conclusion that a fetus is a human being. The reason for this is because he knows that if we apply his
has human DNA and is a living being definition honestly that means not only is a fetus a human being, but you're also killing innocent human beings every time you scratch your arm to hard or brush your hair too roughly or have a mole removed.

You must continue to fight evil in all it's guises, whether it be obvious evil, or evil disguised by ignorance, arrogance, or stupidity.