(May 31, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: How can you tell?

What's the difference between a chicken one second before it dies and one second afterwards? All of the components of the chicken are still present except one thing. I call it life or the soul.

Besides not answering the question, what happens if the chicken recovers? Is it then a "zombie chicken?"

(May 31, 2014 at 7:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Lek Wrote: What's the difference between a chicken one second before it dies and one second afterwards? All of the components of the chicken are still present except one thing. I call it life or the soul.

Besides not answering the question, what happens if the chicken recovers? Is it then a "zombie chicken?"

No. It means she didn't die. You tell me. Does a chicken have a soul?

(May 31, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: How can you tell?

What's the difference between a chicken one second before it dies and one second afterwards? All of the components of the chicken are still present except one thing. I call it life or the soul.

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(May 31, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Is there a chicken heaven and a chicken hell?

Who knows?

Oh, so you're equivocating, and your entire argument is nonsensical if someone points out there's no observable difference between a meat machine that stops working, or a meat machine that loses it's ability to function without a supernatural component you haven't demonstrated exists.

(May 31, 2014 at 8:19 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Lek Wrote: What's the difference between a chicken one second before it dies and one second afterwards? All of the components of the chicken are still present except one thing. I call it life or the soul.

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Who knows?

Oh, so you're equivocating, and your entire argument is nonsensical if someone points out there's no observable difference between a meat machine that stops working, or a meat machine that loses it's ability to function without a supernatural component you haven't demonstrated exists.

There's a big difference between a meat machine and a chicken. Humans constructed the meat machine and we power it on and off. A chicken wakes up every day, goes where it wants to and make decisions for itself. The chicken lives and the machine doesn't. When a machine stops functioning, it's just broke. When a chicken stops functioning it dies.

Not that I am in the habit of helping out the religiousites; but chickens are not made in the image of God, are not sons of Adam, and do not have knowledge of good and evil.

They don't have FRELLING souls, dammit!


Jeez, when did the freaking nuns quit teaching ANYTHING in their schools ???????

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And another thing, asserting chickens have souls is goddam BLASPHEMY !!!!


It really POs me no end when the fucking religousites don't know shit about their goddam religion.

So let's say that a person (or a chicken) dies (I mean the whole brain flatlines and all neurons die etc). The irreversible kind of death I mean. The "brain dead - sensble neurons dead - everything between the ears simply DEAD" thing.
Let's now say that we have technology that is so advanced that 2 days after a person dies we are able to put every single cell or neuron or tiny bit of his body together in tip top condition. Dendrites, synapsis, EVERYTHING.
And then we "zap" this body.
Will the person live again?
Of course no one knows the answer to this question (because no such experiments where ever made), but what are your opinions?

(May 31, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 4:44 pm)Brakeman Wrote: By what mechanism does it depart? Sparkling whisps of magic air? Is it trapped in our guts and comes flying out with our dying fart? Where physically does it go?

At what point does it leave? At 51% of the brain cell's death or does it stick around for hours until the very last one dies?

Do people who've been lobotomized by having their brain hemispheres split have two separate souls or just two halves of one soul?

Since we are a multicellular organism, and our body lifespan is much older than our cellular lifespan, how do the dying cells pass on their little bit of soul to the next generation of cells?

How does our brain tissue hold a soul when a chimpanzee's brain cannot. What is the cellular difference?

We know our mind is electro-chemically controlled and can be altered easily by drugs, how do the drugs affect the soul?

Do the mentally ill, and the comatose brain victims have a defective soul?
How does one know this?

When jesus said to search your kidneys, what did he mean by that? Was he saying that a good piss is a holy thing?

You waste so much time on meaningless blather. There's no substance to anything you said here. None of this has anything to to do with whether or not souls exist.

Liar! Liar! When are you going to answer these simple, direct questions that are a result of your proposal that a soul exists?

(May 31, 2014 at 8:58 pm)Lek Wrote: A chicken wakes up every day, goes where it wants to and make decisions for itself. The chicken lives and the machine doesn't.

You're not very knowledge about chicken production, are you?



Electro-chemical meat machines, that's it. You've seen too many episodes of Foghorn Leghorn.

(May 31, 2014 at 10:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Not that I am in the habit of helping out the religiousites; but chickens are not made in the image of God, are not sons of Adam, and do not have knowledge of good and evil.

They don't have FRELLING souls, dammit!


Jeez, when did the freaking nuns quit teaching ANYTHING in their schools ???????

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And another thing, asserting chickens have souls is goddam BLASPHEMY !!!!


It really POs me no end when the fucking religousites don't know shit about their goddam religion.

You're right. Chickens are not made kn the image and likeness of God and they don't possess the knowledge of good and evil. But when I talk about the soul, I am referring to the life, which is supernatural, within the chicken that God puts into them. Because I say they have a soul doesn't mean that I'm putting them on the same level as man. Nothing I said was blasphemy. Actually, the bible makes no mention of whether animals have souls or not. Man and the other animals all have brains, but that doesn't put the animals on the same level as mankind. I'm doing what you say we christians should do - I'm thinking for myself.

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(June 1, 2014 at 10:58 am)Cato Wrote: Electro-chemical meat machines, that's it. You've seen too many episodes of Foghorn Leghorn.

No. I've watched too many Foster Farms commercials.

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(June 1, 2014 at 9:02 am)Jason_ab Wrote: So let's say that a person (or a chicken) dies (I mean the whole brain flatlines and all neurons die etc). The irreversible kind of death I mean. The "brain dead - sensble neurons dead - everything between the ears simply DEAD" thing.
Let's now say that we have technology that is so advanced that 2 days after a person dies we are able to put every single cell or neuron or tiny bit of his body together in tip top condition. Dendrites, synapsis, EVERYTHING.
And then we "zap" this body.
Will the person live again?
Of course no one knows the answer to this question (because no such experiments where ever made), but what are your opinions?

Ask me again when this happens.

(June 1, 2014 at 10:58 am)Cato Wrote: Electro-chemical meat machines, that's it. You've seen too many episodes of Foghorn Leghorn.

No they are not electro-chemical meat machines.
They are animals. Living animals that feel pain and despair.
Maybe they cannot write poems but they have a right to live. They are not objects. They are living beings.