(June 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: Evolution cannot create anything; its not a power unto itself; it has no beginning, no mind, its not a creative being; evolution is inherited change, its a process which cannot create ANYTHING!

Nor does it claim to be able to! Evolution explains the diversity and seeming "perfection" of life. It doesn't, and was never intended to, explain the origin of life! Darwin said that himself in "Origin of Species".

You're right.

Evolution has no mind. It is inherited change.

It doesn't need a mind.

Oh, wait a minute...this very post is existence of God now...smh...

(June 6, 2014 at 3:18 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: Evolution cannot create anything; its not a power unto itself; it has no beginning, no mind, its not a creative being; evolution is inherited change, its a process which cannot create ANYTHING!

Really? Did you read Esq's post at all? Talk about pot calling the kettle black. Please, address Esquilax's point, that simply saying something doesn't make it true. You have to back it up.

I backed it up with a fact, its a fact that evolution cannot create anything! You are dismissing that fact. Creation requires creator, new life requires that it came from something already alive! Intelligence breeds intelligence. Humans give birth to humans. This is back up which you cannot see, just as Christians cannot see there is no such thing as hell; goes right over their heads!

(June 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am curious, would anything I would have said have matter to you?

Absolutely, if you can provide a lick of freaking evidence!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

(June 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Oh, no. Please stay.

You are quite entertaining.


And maybe, just maybe, you will learn the difference between 'assertion' and 'evidence'.

I am not optimistic, but there's always hope.

Well I have irritated and intimidated groups before, I am used to being put out, and I understand it. the Christians have put me out the most, because I press hard on them, you see what religion has done to the pathology of this world.

I can be hard on atheist as well, several of them have asked me to leave as well; so 20 of you to just me is maybe not fair to you, but I think atheist are stronger debators than Christians. That strength makes this more fair, but I can sense a few of you wanting me gone already.

That is just so damn cute!

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Oh no, I believe in evolution and agree with it, just a bit differently.

If you believe in theistically guided evolution, you're not my enemy. People who want to teach my children that dinosaurs and humans lived together because they think it's a problem for their faith if it's true are my enemy when it comes to science education.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: We can bypass evolution and get into atheism as a proof of God. I do not believe atheism would exist without god, I really don't. One poster here said it pre existed theism, and a mind devoid of awareness of god, is thus atheist. I agree with that, primordial man was atheist, and I cannot see then theism arising out of a world of atheism.

Why would it?

Why wouldn't it? Ideas catch on, especially ones that benefit the people who want to be in charge.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: It had to be part of a plan of god to have theism and atheism.

Seriously?

(June 6, 2014 at 3:23 pm)ThePinsir Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: Evolution cannot create anything; its not a power unto itself; it has no beginning, no mind, its not a creative being; evolution is inherited change, its a process which cannot create ANYTHING!

Nor does it claim to be able to! Evolution explains the diversity and seeming "perfection" of life. It doesn't, and was never intended to, explain the origin of life! Darwin said that himself in "Origin of Species".

You're right.

Evolution has no mind. It is inherited change.

It doesn't need a mind.

Oh, wait a minute...this very post is existence of God now...smh...

I know its right, but he keeps saying I am not backing up what I say, because he NEEDS to divert this truth away, and give the illusion that I am giving no evidence.

I have seen this before.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:26 pm)mickiel Wrote: I have seen this before.

No shit. And you'll keep seeing it until you actually provide evidence.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am curious, would anything I would have said have matter to you?

You could try posting some demonstrable evidence to support your claim, instead of one unsupported assertion after another.

Seeing as how you don't know the difference, I am not optimistic.

This one is a lost cause. Completely insulated from facts, preferring instead to wallow in logical fallacies, ignoring the posts that tear his arguments to shreds.

Bored now. Yawn.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:58 am)mickiel Wrote: No, I can't see it. Minds completely unconscious of a god or gods, why and how would consciousness of a god emerge?

Through the magic of making things up. Every generation of children devises new bogeymen, it doesn't mean they're real or that they're 'conscious of them' in the sense that they perceive houses and people and animals.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Well on second thought, if you accept that consciousness could emerge from absolute nothing, then I understand you're rationale.

I would like to see your proof that absolute nothingness is something that could possibly 'exist'. In physics, there doesn't seem to be any alternative to 'stuff existing'. I don't beleve there ever was or could be 'absolute nothing'.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: In my view, there is no need for cursing. It ruins a good point.

In my view, people who try to dictate how other people speak have control issues.