(May 12, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

That's going on FSTDT!

Gee, i am working so hard to make you all happy
and you don't even reward me with a kudo?
I feel like crying.

(May 12, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

That's going on FSTDT!

Stimbo no, I think it was trying to convey humor. One moment I'll call the linguistic department at Harvard and see if they can translate.

(April 26, 2014 at 6:46 am)Riketto Wrote:

(April 25, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Nonsensical statement. Turning from justifiable beliefs about the world to unjustifiable unverifiable superstition is not an "an upgrade"

Are you telling me that physical science is a JUSTIFIABLE belief?

Well, actually -- Do you read books? -- Yes:

Quote:Justified true belief is a definition of knowledge that is most frequently credited to Plato and his dialogues.[1] The concept of justified true belief states that in order to know that a given proposition is true, one must not only believe the relevant true proposition, but one must also have justification for doing so.

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In more formal terms, a subject S knows that a proposition P is true if and only if:

P is true
S believes that P is true, and
S is justified in believing that P is true
This theory of knowledge suffered a significant setback with the discovery of Gettier problems, situations in which the above conditions were seemingly met but that many philosophers disagree that anything is known.[2] Robert Nozick suggested a clarification of "justification" which he believed eliminates the problem:

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the justification has to be such that were the justification false, the knowledge would be false.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/

(April 26, 2014 at 6:46 am)Riketto Wrote: The computer that you are using now will be outdated in few years
and the new computer that will take his place will also be outdated after short time.

So, you're saying that things improve?

(April 26, 2014 at 6:46 am)Riketto Wrote: A real belief is something that never get outdated
but this is something that your brain will understand when you will reach the belief that never get outdated.

That's a great template for a truly irrational belief. Knowledge changes as available data increases, as well it should. Historically, any belief assigned "immutably true" status has been shown to be a false belief in later years.

(April 25, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Unverifiable things are not knowledge. They are beliefs.

(April 26, 2014 at 6:46 am)Riketto Wrote: I am eager to learn from you what is your tool to work out and say for sure whether something is knowledge or not.

Very simply: anything that cannot be, by definition, disproven: does not qualify as knowledge; only as a belief.

This is the core of falsifiability, which is also the core of physical science, of which you are about to express profound misunderstanding of:

(April 26, 2014 at 6:46 am)Riketto Wrote: Tell me anything but please don't involve something constantly changing
like physical science.

What, you want a reality built on a base of Duplo block maxims that never changes? How'd that work out for Kant?

(April 25, 2014 at 8:34 am)Riketto Wrote: When the student is ready also the teacher is.

http://www.fakebuddhaquotes.com/when-the...ll-appear/

That's not even a real Buddha quote. It's the difference between Zen mind, and beginners mind.

(April 25, 2014 at 8:34 am)Riketto Wrote: The same entity that tell you to come in this forum so you can learn something from unknown people.

Yes, totally. I shall seek enlightenment from espousers of false wisdom, counterfeit quotes and dubious sources on the interwebs.

(August 11, 2011 at 1:28 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Since people tend to be very varied in their "Religious Views", the amount of atheists on this site is relatively unknown. I can't be bothered to go around and count the number of "none", "anti-theist", "are you kidding me?" responses, so I'd like to post this very simple poll.

It has two options. If you believe in some sort of God (doesn't matter if you are a Christian, a Deist, a Wiccan, etc) then answer "Yes". If you don't believe in God (and that includes people who don't think the question is relevant), answer "No".

I just want to keep things very simple; I don't want to cause a debate over terms; if you think you believe in God, answer in the positive. If you don't think you believe in God, answer in the negative. If you are unsure what you believe, don't answer at all.

You can discuss your votes below; in fact this is encouraged as it will keep the thread highlighted in search results and so more people will be able to vote. Hopefully we'll be able to get most of the active users within a few days.

I can't see any way to believe in God so no i'm an atheist

The existence of God can be proven by science.

Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

Therefore, the Universe could not just have appeared out of thin air.

The Earth also happens to be at exactly the right angle and distance from the Sun, and is set so perfectly in revolutions around the Sun, that the Earth is the only easily hospitable planet we have found so far.

Our bodies, and the bodies of all other animals on Earth, also happen to be put together so perfectly that we can function with at least several dozen different systems/processes constantly running in our body, making new cells, burning calories, etc.

The only thing that could lead to all these "coincidences" that make life on Earth possible, and even the existence of Earth and the Universe it is in, is something or someone that can break the laws of science and design/create it all just like that. That someone is God, who is, has always been, and always will be.

"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:14. The Universe and world that we live in is so truly awesome that it could not have originated by chance.

If you ask me, I would say it is pretty obvious that God exists. Just take a look around.

(June 6, 2014 at 11:03 pm)sts512 Wrote: The existence of God can be proven by science.

Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

Therefore, the Universe could not just have appeared out of thin air.

The Earth also happens to be at exactly the right angle and distance from the Sun, and is set so perfectly in revolutions around the Sun, that the Earth is the only easily hospitable planet we have found so far.

Our bodies, and the bodies of all other animals on Earth, also happen to be put together so perfectly that we can function with at least several dozen different systems/processes constantly running in our body, making new cells, burning calories, etc.

The only thing that could lead to all these "coincidences" that make life on Earth possible, and even the existence of Earth and the Universe it is in, is something or someone that can break the laws of science and design/create it all just like that. That someone is God, who is, has always been, and always will be.

"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:14. The Universe and world that we live in is so truly awesome that it could not have originated by chance.

If you ask me, I would say it is pretty obvious that God exists. Just take a look around.

Praise be on Krishna.

(June 6, 2014 at 11:03 pm)sts512 Wrote: The existence of God can be proven by science.

Ahh, I'mma have some fun with this one.

Quote:Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

That is certainly true within the universe; how do you know it's true without it?

Quote:Therefore, the Universe could not just have appeared out of thin air.

Therefore, god could not have just appeared out of thin air either.

Quote:The Earth also happens to be at exactly the right angle and distance from the Sun, and is set so perfectly in revolutions around the Sun, that the Earth is the only easily hospitable planet we have found so far.

The Earth's distance from the sun varies by several million miles depending on what point it's at in its orbit; our orbital pattern is an ellipse, not a circle. As to your claim about hospitable planets, that's just factually wrong.

Good job so far!

Quote:Our bodies, and the bodies of all other animals on Earth, also happen to be put together so perfectly that we can function with at least several dozen different systems/processes constantly running in our body, making new cells, burning calories, etc.

Asserting design without demonstrating design isn't an argument; you'd be begging the question to say that natural things couldn't run so many different organs without demonstrating that humans aren't naturally formed first.

As to your claim of a perfect design, tell that to my wisdom teeth, appendix, flawed spinal nerves, imperfect knee joints, the blind spot in my eyes, the fact that my retina projects upside down, little toes, cancer, and every deleterious genetic mutation ever discovered. The level of tunnel vision you're displaying here is remarkable.

Quote:The only thing that could lead to all these "coincidences" that make life on Earth possible, and even the existence of Earth and the Universe it is in, is something or someone that can break the laws of science and design/create it all just like that.

How do you know that?

Quote:That someone is God, who is, has always been, and always will be.

How do you know that?

Quote:The Universe and world that we live in is so truly awesome that it could not have originated by chance.

The majority of the universe is an airless vacuum that contains next to nothing and will kill us all near instantly. A lot of the rest of it is on fire, radioactive, exploding, or collapsing in on itself into a physics conundrum we can't begin to unravel. To say the universe is so nice based solely on your dinky suburban existence is, again, a fantastic case of tunnel vision.

Quote:If you ask me, I would say it is pretty obvious that God exists. Just take a look around.

Ugh.

(June 6, 2014 at 11:03 pm)sts512 Wrote: The existence of God can be proven by science.

Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

Therefore, the Universe could not just have appeared out of thin air.

The Earth also happens to be at exactly the right angle and distance from the Sun, and is set so perfectly in revolutions around the Sun, that the Earth is the only easily hospitable planet we have found so far.

Our bodies, and the bodies of all other animals on Earth, also happen to be put together so perfectly that we can function with at least several dozen different systems/processes constantly running in our body, making new cells, burning calories, etc.

The only thing that could lead to all these "coincidences" that make life on Earth possible, and even the existence of Earth and the Universe it is in, is something or someone that can break the laws of science and design/create it all just like that. That someone is God, who is, has always been, and always will be.

"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:14. The Universe and world that we live in is so truly awesome that it could not have originated by chance.

If you ask me, I would say it is pretty obvious that God exists. Just take a look around.

ooh, ooh. You forgot to mention a beautiful sunset or a babies smile in your evidence.

Damn you Esq, you always have all the fun.

(June 6, 2014 at 11:03 pm)sts512 Wrote: Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

Therefore, the Universe could not just have appeared out of thin air.

What form was the matter of the universe in before it was created?
Since matter can not "pop out of thin air", God must have used something to create the matter. And what form was that stuff in before? And what form was that stuff of the stuff in before? And what form....