I read the Quran and found out that Islam is not a religion but a secularism, Allah is not God, and there is only one Book of Allah, ie. The Old Testament, The New Testament and The Final Testament. . . I believe these three books is One Book through the "confirming function" of the Final Testament, and the final knowledge that must be acquired is the practical knowledge from the laws of nature (Hinduism, Buddhism etc); ie. it is called as the Sunnatullah. Basically all from the same source but have been messed up and corrupted by religious peoples. These are my views.

(June 11, 2014 at 6:16 am)muslimatheism Wrote: I read the Quran and found out that Islam is not a religion but a secularism, Allah is not God, and there is only one Book of Allah, ie. The Old Testament, The New Testament and The Final Testament. . . I believe these three books is One Book through the "confirming function" of the Final Testament, and the final knowledge that must be acquired is the practical knowledge from the laws of nature (Hinduism, Buddhism etc); ie. it is called as the Sunnatullah. Basically all from the same source but have been messed up and corrupted by religious peoples. These are my views.

What is "a secularism"?

However, you are almost right. Those books are all the same - they are myths and lies.

(June 11, 2014 at 10:05 am)Chas Wrote: What is "a secularism"?

I understand it as the separation of religion from the state, and I believe Islam was sent to end religion, but people make a new religion. Just my opinion.

(June 11, 2014 at 3:08 pm)muslimatheism Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 10:05 am)Chas Wrote: What is "a secularism"?

I understand it as the separation of religion from the state, and I believe Islam was sent to end religion, but people make a new religion. Just my opinion.

How on earth do you think that? How was it 'sent' and by whom?

(June 11, 2014 at 5:48 pm)Chas Wrote: How on earth do you think that? How was it 'sent' and by whom?

It is just my opinion from the main source of Islam, and I believe it is no used for me to explain because the explanation involves many logical premises from verses of the Quran, it would then sound like preaching. I believe no one here interested in that kind of discussion.

God exists. The law, the judge, the creator. How does god look like ? nothing you can imagine.
He has a way -path- in creations, full of rules that he wrote upon himself. Everything is calculated, everything is created with just.

He created many beings -some have a free will-. The being with the free will is capable of realizing the universe, thus realize god. People who choose not to realize god or defy him, break his rules, that leads to the corruption of the universe. God is not human. He is not a creation.

So simply don't be mad at god, don't think of god as a dictator. don't think of god as a human, or an alien, or a creation.

god created satan. Satan did good in his life, but satan was racist (really ; no kidding). God knows everything. But god has rules that he wrote upon himself ; satan must commit a racist act to receive his punishment.

God wanted to test satan's faith. God created humans and gave them planet earth. Satan exploded in rage with the famous verse from the Quran :

"I'm better than him -adam and eve- ! you created me out of fire, and created him out of mud ! "

god casted satan out of heaven, but also brought a test upon humans.

satan said promised god that he'll turn all humans into law breakers. and he himself -satan- shall guide them.

God is not human. you can't have a battle with god. So god simply said to satan : go. do what you want to do.

The good human will seek god. The bad human will seek you.

In judgement day, you all shall be judged. Go.

god warned humans -adam and eve- :
"don't eat from that certain tree"
"don't listen to satan"

they listened to satan, the racist who hated them. and ate from it.
then, both were casted out of heaven : humans and satan.

"Descend in it -earth- as enemies". God will send wisdom, god will send his path in books. follow it, or not. up to you. judgement day is coming.

that's islam story. We are here to be tested against satan.
Would we become racists like him ? hateful like him ? or we would seek god ?

That's it : )

some people like me believe in the path of god.
Some others don't.

Judgement day shall be our day as humans. We will be judged.
The quran already gives hints that a lot of humans will follow satan ; not god.

Cheers.

(July 14, 2014 at 4:15 pm)AtlasS Wrote: God exists.

Assertion. Citation needed.

Also this:

Quote:How does god look like ? nothing you can imagine.

Contradicts the rest of your post. If god is unknowable (which is what I assume you meant), then how do you know so much about it? And why are those people who disagree with you thus wrong?

Why do I get this feeling I can better represent Islam with a little bit of role play

(July 14, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Assertion. Citation needed.

The stars.
The cherry blossom.
Our human brains.
The look on a puppies face..

Quote:Contradicts the rest of your post. If god is unknowable (which is what I assume you meant), then how do you know so much about it? And why are those people who disagree with you thus wrong?

We know about his actions ; and adjectives mainly. And throughout the Quran, it's a direct speech from god -calculated to the letter- which tells the reader of the book more about god.

He's not unkownable, rather than this description from the Quran :

"He catches the sights yet the sights cannot catch him".

Indication that seeing god will literally kill you from shock, your brain won't handle it. The story of moses in the Quran -when he asked god to show himself to him ; god told him "you won't see me but look at that mountain ; when the mountain rests you shall see me"-.

God appeared to the mountain -maybe in milliseconds or even less- ? he catches the sights, but the sights don't catch him. Moses didn't see god, but saw the mountain fall in mere seconds. Moses passed out.

Then realized what god meant. Moses's head won't handle looking at god. God is something else.

Does the mountain have a "sight" ? does it see ? pretty medieval to believe that. It's not that. It's was a simple appearance of god in front of the mountain -alone- that blasted it to the ground.

No contradictions at my end ^_^.