(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian.

I have zero expectation or interest as to what you or anyone else believes, GC. Always have.

(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian. There was no agenda as you could see if you had read my reply to Tonus, also I'm not Drich or others.

GC

Ok, then. Since you refuse to do the thing you're asking Cthu to do, don't expect us to believe you're a Christian now.

(June 11, 2014 at 6:35 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian. There was no agenda as you could see if you had read my reply to Tonus, also I'm not Drich or others.

GC

Ok, then. Since you refuse to do the thing you're asking Cthu to do, don't expect us to believe you're a Christian now.

Touché.

(June 11, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Touché.

Careful now with your spelling. I think the word you're looking for is "douche."

(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 6:16 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You know no such fucking thing, GC. If any of my friends here ask, those who don't have an agenda, I'd be happy to tell them all about it. I might even tell you, if you asked nicely and I thought you were being sincere.

I'm not the least bit embarrassed about it. Hell, I voted for G.W. Bush the first time around. You think that's not embarrassing, considering where my politics are today?

What I won't do is give personal details in public forum to someone who appears to be likely to play games moving goalposts and playing the No True Christian fallacy card. Drich and others have done it to me on more than one occasion, and I'm not playing that game, not now, not ever.

Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian. There was no agenda as you could see if you had read my reply to Tonus, also I'm not Drich or others.

GC

You are truly an arrogant twat. Who the fuck do you think you are to determine he was not a Christian?

(June 11, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian.

I have zero expectation or interest as to what you or anyone else believes, GC. Always have.

I said fine what ever.

GC

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(June 11, 2014 at 6:35 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian. There was no agenda as you could see if you had read my reply to Tonus, also I'm not Drich or others.

GC

Ok, then. Since you refuse to do the thing you're asking Cthu to do, don't expect us to believe you're a Christian now.

I have shared what I've done as a Christian here many times, sorry you missed out on what I said.

GC

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(June 11, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Chas Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: Fine, just do not expect me to believe you were ever a Christian. There was no agenda as you could see if you had read my reply to Tonus, also I'm not Drich or others.

GC

You are truly an arrogant twat. Who the fuck do you think you are to determine he was not a Christian?

Listen you blind ignorant idiot, I wasn't trying to determine anything I was looking for information, if people do not want to share fine, but if they do not then they shouldn't complain when I do not take them at their word. I've been told the very same thing, if I do not explain or give reason then I should not expect people to believe what I say. Just expect the same out of others as they expect out of me.

GC

(June 11, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: 402528872']

Chas Wrote:You are truly an arrogant twat. Who the fuck do you think you are to determine he was not a Christian?

Listen you blind ignorant idiot, I wasn't trying to determine anything I was looking for information, if people do not want to share fine, but if they do not then they shouldn't complain when I do not take them at their word. I've been told the very same thing, if I do not explain or give reason then I should not expect people to believe what I say. Just expect the same out of others as they expect out of me.

GC

I wonder if there are sure signs you would look for to determine if any self-proclaimed ex-xtian was ever a true xtian. I wonder if you think it is possible for someone who feels and thinks exactly what you do to lose faith and change their mind. Personally, I do think so.

I also think it is possible for someone who thinks and feels exactly the way I do about the god-belief question to change their mind and become a believer. I don't predict I will. But if someone else should I won't feel hurt and disappointed. Nor will I disavow that they were ever the same as me.

No offense to the thread starter, it seems like a very broad and unoriginal question and more like a reason for you to rant a little just say that you are an Atheist. Yeah, no kidding. This is a whole forum of people who don't think there is good evidence for god. Theists have evidence (however shitty) for their belief in god, it's just not what lives up to my standard for evidence. That's why they believe in god. Richard Dawkins once said that people don't believe on faith, they believe because of evidence (whether that is the bible, or creationist nonsense or slightly more complex philosophical ideas involving a prime mover.) None of that means that the evidence is valid or worthwhile. However just saying 'what's your proof eh?' is intellectually shallow. Maybe be more specific. Just friendly advice for someone who gets slightly tired of seeing the same thing parroted. Have you really never read peoples reasons for believing in God?

(June 11, 2014 at 9:13 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: No offense to the thread starter, it seems like a very broad and unoriginal question and more like a reason for you to rant a little just say that you are an Atheist. Yeah, no kidding. This is a whole forum of people who don't think there is good evidence for god. Theists have evidence (however shitty) for their belief in god, it's just not what lives up to my standard for evidence. That's why they believe in god. Richard Dawkins once said that people don't believe on faith, they believe because of evidence (whether that is the bible, or creationist nonsense or slightly more complex philosophical ideas involving a prime mover.) None of that means that the evidence is valid or worthwhile. However just saying 'what's your proof eh?' is intellectually shallow. Maybe be more specific. Just friendly advice for someone who gets slightly tired of seeing the same thing parroted. Have you really never read peoples reasons for believing in God?

I'm in agreement here - they have their reasons, which are sufficient for them, and it matters not whether they are sufficient for anyone else. Until such point that someone makes truth claims in an attempt to sway me, I couldn't care less. Their epistemology may not be mine, but I am no authority on the matter.

On the other hand, when someone misrepresents a position they do not hold, attempt to educate, and if that fails - well, they're then fair game.

(June 11, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: The answer is no,

And there it is, another self proclaimed christian (not that any of us believe that he really is, after all, where's the evidence?) desperate to shirk accountability. This tells me all I need to know, that you just want to pull the same tricks everyone pulls whenever they get it into their heads to do this: you want to move the goalposts by making them invisible, operating under a secret, amorphous set of conditions that change so that nobody is a True Christian until they fall exactly in line with what you claim to believe. Do exactly as GC wants, but don't pray over a potato cake at three forty nine in the morning every April fourth? Whoops, not a True Christian! Your religiousness was a lie!

What a dishonest, and thoroughly unsurprising, move from you, GC.

Quote: I know that it's peer pressure that causes these former believers not to reveal what they did, their afraid of being embarrassed.

I'll be interested to know how you gained the telepathic powers necessary to know what other people whom you don't know are thinking. Do tell.

Or is it that you're just making a mockery of what knowledge is again?

Quote: Deals are not part of a discussion and I wasn't looking to put anyone down, I wanted to see if these people actually tried.

No, you wanted to disparage everyone else in your typical passive aggressive way, let's not bullshit around here. If you wanted to see if they'd tried, if that was actually the reason, then you'd have no problem with telling us what constitutes "trying" ahead of time. But you won't, because what you really want to do is point the finger at everyone else.

Quote: You see they should do this because they have their own courage, not because you convinced them to. Actually I would be offended by your proposal to convince me to speak up, who do you believe you are that you have control or authority over these who say they once believed.

I said encourage, you loon.

Quote: They are their own persons and can decide for themselves. If they do refuse it will give Christians grounds to doubt their sincerity,

Well, since you aren't a christian- at least, I haven't seen any evidence of it- then that's okay.

Quote: I've shared my pre-Christian past without a care as what other Christians thought, why since I did is it such a big deal for the former believers. You talk about moving the goal post, if I were to present a set of conditions then the former believers could move their goal post to meet the conditions, so once again No.

GC

What's to stop the former believers from exaggerating their accounts anyway? Nothing at all. See, that's the thing; all your excuses are easy to dismantle with a little thought, leaving the dishonest heart of your motivations plain to see.

Interesting also that you'd ask the question, and then in the next breath accuse everyone you want to answer it of being potential liars; do you want to hear the answer or not? Because immediately introducing the idea that they'll all lie if they know what the details of the question actually are kind of hints that you don't really care what the answer is.

Oh, and I thought only god could judge who is and isn't a true christian? Why keep the conditions secret as though you can judge these people, then? Are you better at this than god?

Oh right, you're not a christian, you don't believe in god.