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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Apparently there isn't a point because you agree with me. 'Empiricism is essential where it applies'. Now taking belief into account, if you actually care if what you believe is true or not and not just how it makes you feel, empiricism is the best way to determine the truth. Evaluating evidence and coming to conclusions based on the evidence. Oh yea, and there is no such things as an 'overdependence' on empiricism.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 6:53 pm
I'd say my faith experience was the overabundance of notknowingism. Don't bother looking it up, I made it up.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm
I wish some people would actually do some investigation before dismissing something. Such a glowing example of critical thinking going on here.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:20 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I wish some people would actually do some investigation before dismissing something. Such a glowing example of critical thinking going on here.
Please elaborate. Easy to make such vague statements.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:24 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Luckie Wrote: I'd say my faith experience was the overabundance of notknowingism. Don't bother looking it up, I made it up.
Don't worry Missy i've got your back!
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:28 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 7:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 15, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Luckie Wrote: I'd say my faith experience was the overabundance of notknowingism. Don't bother looking it up, I made it up.
Don't worry Missy i've got your back!
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Better to admit ignorance than to pretend you have the truth.
Or, to put it another way, better to be intellectually honest than to lie to yourself just for false comfort.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:29 pm
Feisty hobbit! 
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Oh hey Happy Fathers day fr0d0! had to say it to someone, after all.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:39 pm
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2014 at 7:41 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 15, 2014 at 7:20 pm)Irrational Wrote: (June 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I wish some people would actually do some investigation before dismissing something. Such a glowing example of critical thinking going on here.
Please elaborate. Easy to make such vague statements.
If you are following the discussion, see lucky alluding to it in her comment above, so why she doesn't think the subject is clear is puzzling....
Scientism
Not a made up word. An accurate description of an over dependence on empirical evidence. Exactly what esq said was the majority view of atheists and their reason to dismiss theism.
(June 15, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Irrational Wrote: Better to admit ignorance than to pretend you have the truth.
Or, to put it another way, better to be intellectually honest than to lie to yourself just for false comfort.
Absolutely brother
(June 15, 2014 at 7:32 pm)Luckie Wrote: Oh hey Happy Fathers day fr0d0! had to say it to someone, after all.
Aww thanks kid! 
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RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 15, 2014 at 7:46 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 7:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If you are following the discussion, see lucky alluding to it in her comment above, so why she doesn't think the subject is clear is puzzling....
Scientism
Not a made up word. An accurate description of an over dependence on empirical evidence. Exactly what esq said was the majority view of atheists and their reason to dismiss theism.
Over dependence? Please give us what you consider to be an acceptable level of empiricism. Something tells me it applies to everything but your particular brand of theism. I'm open to being wrong in my assumption though.
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