Lek, we literally have it documented that God went, in the hearts of enthusiastic men and women, from deities who controlled everything, from weather to birth, could be petitioned with various rituals, could have their wrath called down in the form of catastrophic drought or storm... people went from this, polytheistic gods who control nature, to a God who basically just sits somewhere as an invisible mighty force, doing what? Nobody knows. There is no actual role left for him to do anything. Just a pathetic, lonely, soul, watching the Universe from afar, perhaps lamenting he isn't a part of it.

(June 19, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Lek Wrote: If I know God, and a billion other people know God, I consider that pretty good evidence for God. If God is supernatural, and you look for proof only by natural means you won't find him. I can understand why you consider the existence of God to be illogical, but it's hard to convince someone who knows God that he really doesn't know him.

Congratulations, you just proved Santa.

And I want a helicopter. That shoots lasers.

(June 19, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Lek Wrote: If I know God, and a billion other people know God, I consider that pretty good evidence for God. If God is supernatural, and you look for proof only by natural means you won't find him. I can understand why you consider the existence of God to be illogical, but it's hard to convince someone who knows God that he really doesn't know him.

Congratulations, you just proved Santa.

And I want a helicopter. That shoots lasers.

I want a Lawmaster - fully operational.

(June 19, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Lek Wrote: If I know God, and a billion other people know God, I consider that pretty good evidence for God.

Lek... how many times are you going to pull ad pop. out of your ass?

(June 19, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Lek Wrote: If God is supernatural, and you look for proof only by natural means you won't find him.

Typical bullshit.

(June 19, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Lek Wrote: I can understand why you consider the existence of God to be illogical, but it's hard to convince someone who knows God that he really doesn't know him.

Yes, it is rather hard to break through the delusional barrier. I agree.

(June 19, 2014 at 9:18 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: Lek... how many times are you going to pull ad pop. out of your ass?

As many times as he thinks is necessary to convince us.

Lek, according to your ad pop logic, Michael Jackson is the greatest recording artist of all time. Better than the Beatles, Led Zep, The Who, The Rolling Stones or any other great act.

Why MJ? "Cause he's the best selling (most popular) of all time.

(June 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

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(June 18, 2014 at 4:35 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: As a 21st Century educated American you should be able to see the flaws in the Big Bang Theory yourself. It partially works on an individual star basis when a star goes supernova but not for the creation of the universe. Think about it and you will see why.

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I've spent a great deal of time considering the big bang theory. It's not analogous to a supernova in any way (hint: one involves matter, the other does not).

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If you're just going to assert shit without any kind of explanation or reference, I'm going to dismiss it as bullshit just as easily.

You made the claim, put up, or shut up.

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So you're saying that the Big Bang involved magic dust?

(June 19, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

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I've spent a great deal of time considering the big bang theory. It's not analogous to a supernova in any way (hint: one involves matter, the other does not).

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If you're just going to assert shit without any kind of explanation or reference, I'm going to dismiss it as bullshit just as easily.

You made the claim, put up, or shut up.

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So you're saying that the Big Bang involved magic dust?

Hardly.

(June 20, 2014 at 12:54 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So you're saying that the Big Bang involved magic dust?

Hardly.

On the other hand, given the dissimilarity of quantum physics and Planck time physics compared to modern physics, the distinction pre Big Bang would have been so dramatic, it may as well have been magic dust, by today's standards.

I'm not buying the Big Bang Theory because it's silly. The quantum foam theory is most likely closer to the truth. That's because we are almost certain that once hydrogen forms it clumps together into giant balls and goes nuclear to create stars. And then the stars cook up the heavier elements. That process wouldn't have happened under the Big Bang.

(June 19, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Lek Wrote: If I know God, and a billion other people know God, I consider that pretty good evidence for God.

Unless a significant number of those people don't qualify as "true god believers," right? Because this is the sort of thing I'm referring to in that other thread, where people point to the number of believers as "evidence for god" but quickly whittle those numbers down once we get into specific behaviors or beliefs.

More than 4 billion people claim to know god, but they don't all know the same god, and many of them tell the others that the god they claim to know cannot be the real god. That's a pretty poor standard of evidence to me.