(June 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm)ShaMan Wrote: The "Devil" is a figment of an ill-formed mind. It can be outgrown.

Idk I think if gone unchecked christianity is a mental illness, right up there with schizophrenia, which I thought about for awhile, talking to invisible people that no one else can hear or see (prayer), believing that if you don't do this or that a certain way (paranoia), und getting extremely agitated when logically confronted about the issues seems like all the same matter.

One is treated for with heavy medications whilst the other is okayed by society.

Funny, I wonder if a schizophrenic person's invisible friend was GAWD if he'd be schizophrenic or Christian? in which he'd no longer be ill nor need medicine

(June 10, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Let's Just Say that there is a God and He is the one described in the Bible. As much as you disagree or believe in the contrary, humor me and let's say that this is the case. If that be so and there is a hope for eternal life by placing your faith in Christ, would you accept that and receive Him? Or, would you defiantly reject this offer?

Let me fix this for you -

Let's Just Say that there is a God and He is the one described in the Bhagavad Gita. As much as you disagree or believe in the contrary, humor me and let's say that this is the case. If that be so and there is a hope for eternal life by placing your faith in Krishna, would you accept that and receive Him? Or, would you defiantly reject this offer?

(June 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

(June 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm)ShaMan Wrote: The "Devil" is a figment of an ill-formed mind. It can be outgrown.

Idk I think if gone unchecked christianity is a mental illness, right up there with schizophrenia, which I thought about for awhile, talking to invisible people that no one else can hear or see (prayer), believing that if you don't do this or that a certain way (paranoia), und getting extremely agitated when logically confronted about the issues seems like all the same matter.

One is treated for with heavy medications whilst the other is okayed by society.

Funny, I wonder if a schizophrenic person's invisible friend was GAWD if he'd be schizophrenic or Christian? in which he'd no longer be ill nor need medicine

As someone who used to be a Christian, you couldn't be further from the truth. Also, nothing psychologically wrong with praying. It's really a meditative act. Plus, most Christians who pray to God don't claim that they can see or hear God.

(June 20, 2014 at 12:32 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(June 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: Idk I think if gone unchecked christianity is a mental illness, right up there with schizophrenia, which I thought about for awhile, talking to invisible people that no one else can hear or see (prayer), believing that if you don't do this or that a certain way (paranoia), und getting extremely agitated when logically confronted about the issues seems like all the same matter.

One is treated for with heavy medications whilst the other is okayed by society.

Funny, I wonder if a schizophrenic person's invisible friend was GAWD if he'd be schizophrenic or Christian? in which he'd no longer be ill nor need medicine

As someone who used to be a Christian, you couldn't be further from the truth. Also, nothing psychologically wrong with praying. It's really a meditative act. Plus, most Christians who pray to God don't claim that they can see or hear God.

I beg to differ, praying is nothing like meditating. Praying in christian terms is about asking a divine being for material things or worldly possessions, usually stemming from a desire of some sort.

Meditation at least when taught properly is about pushing out desire, relaxing the mind, ever notice the music, or chanting involved in meditating? It's so that you focus on the sound and push thought out so you are focused.

I think there is something completely psychological about the neurological process of

"if your thinking is not my thinking, you will burn in a fire forever!"

"You must believe that *insert magical being* snapped his/her/its fingers to create it all"

"talking to invisible things"

Doesn't sound very psychologically sound to me.

But that is my perspective which is completely subjective

(June 20, 2014 at 12:46 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: I beg to differ, praying is nothing like meditating. Praying in christian terms is about asking a divine being for material things or worldly possessions, usually stemming from a desire of some sort.

It depends on the Christian and what they think prayer is for. The mystics are after union with God - Stages of infused contemplative prayer

Quote:Saint Teresa of Avila described four degrees or stages of mystical union:

1: incomplete mystical union, or the prayer of quiet or supernatural recollection, when the action of God is not strong enough to prevent distractions, and the imagination still retains a certain liberty;

2: full or semi-ecstatic union, when the strength of the divine action keeps the person fully occupied but the senses continue to act, so that by making an effort, the person can cease from prayer;

3: ecstatic union, or ecstasy, when communications with the external world are severed or nearly so, and one can no longer at will move from that state; and

4: transforming or deifying union, or spiritual marriage (properly) of the soul with God.

Needless to say there are some Christians who think this a dangerous occult practise.

(June 20, 2014 at 12:46 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

(June 20, 2014 at 12:32 pm)Irrational Wrote: As someone who used to be a Christian, you couldn't be further from the truth. Also, nothing psychologically wrong with praying. It's really a meditative act. Plus, most Christians who pray to God don't claim that they can see or hear God.

I beg to differ, praying is nothing like meditating. Praying in christian terms is about asking a divine being for material things or worldly possessions, usually stemming from a desire of some sort.

Meditation at least when taught properly is about pushing out desire, relaxing the mind, ever notice the music, or chanting involved in meditating? It's so that you focus on the sound and push thought out so you are focused.

I think there is something completely psychological about the neurological process of

"if your thinking is not my thinking, you will burn in a fire forever!"

"You must believe that *insert magical being* snapped his/her/its fingers to create it all"

"talking to invisible things"

Doesn't sound very psychologically sound to me.

But that is my perspective which is completely subjective

Take it from me. Many Christians don't seriously believe all that.

Also, not up to you to make these diagnoses about others.

(June 20, 2014 at 8:00 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(June 20, 2014 at 12:46 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: I beg to differ, praying is nothing like meditating. Praying in christian terms is about asking a divine being for material things or worldly possessions, usually stemming from a desire of some sort.

Meditation at least when taught properly is about pushing out desire, relaxing the mind, ever notice the music, or chanting involved in meditating? It's so that you focus on the sound and push thought out so you are focused.

I think there is something completely psychological about the neurological process of

"if your thinking is not my thinking, you will burn in a fire forever!"

"You must believe that *insert magical being* snapped his/her/its fingers to create it all"

"talking to invisible things"

Doesn't sound very psychologically sound to me.

But that is my perspective which is completely subjective

Take it from me. Many Christians don't seriously believe all that.

Also, not up to you to make these diagnoses about others.

Yes they do, I am also on a few christian forums (reference off-topic area post: Shit Christians say)

They believe it more than you or I would like to believe.

Also, med-school graduate I think I am qualified, also side note (Just got hired today for Pain Management)

But if you'd like you could join christian forums yourself and see first hand

(June 12, 2014 at 11:30 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: He is loving and merciful. Patient and longsuffering.

Tommyrot. The calimed existence of Hell says otherwise.

My son pissed me off at times -- still does -- but I never threw him in the oven because he, say, cursed my name.

Fact: I am more merciful than your god. Your god acts much more like an intemperate, petualnt child, and is entirely unworthy of worship -- yours, mine, or anyone else.

(June 20, 2014 at 8:16 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

(June 20, 2014 at 8:00 pm)Irrational Wrote: Take it from me. Many Christians don't seriously believe all that.

Also, not up to you to make these diagnoses about others.

Yes they do, I am also on a few christian forums (reference off-topic area post: Shit Christians say)

They believe it more than you or I would like to believe.

Also, med-school graduate I think I am qualified, also side note (Just got hired today for Pain Management)

But if you'd like you could join christian forums yourself and see first hand

I'll remind you of the term "cognitive dissonance". Many Christians who spout out that most of us are going to hell don't seriously believe it, but they say it anyway because that's what they're conditioned as Christian fundies to say.

Also, being med school graduate (while impressive) does not make you all of a sudden qualified to make psychiatric diagnoses.

Please forgive me, but I told you so. I predicted long ago that Mr. Jesus H Fiddle Sticks would mute the voice of anyone who dares to speak out against him. Now that he has, I'd like to express my thoughts on the matter. Although not without overlap and simplification, I plan to identify three primary positions on his paroxysms. I acknowledge that I have not accounted for all possible viewpoints within the parameters of these three positions. Nevertheless, he proclaims at every opportunity that he'd never teach the next generation how to hate—and whom to hate. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.

Jesus's criticisms are not pedantic treatises expressing theories or extravaganzas dealing in fables or fancies. They are substantial, sober outpourings from the very soul of frotteurism. Jesus accuses me of being scabrous whenever I state that he deserves exemplary punishment. All right, I'll admit that I have a sharp tongue and sometimes write with a bit of a poison pen, but the fact remains that Jesus recently claimed that truth is merely a social construct. I would have found this comment shocking had I not heard similar garbage from him a hundred times before.

In case you don't know, Jesus's idiotic claim that embracing a system of etatism will make everything right with the world is just that, an idiotic claim. In general, much of the noise made on Jesus's behalf is generated by vitriolic wing nuts who seem to have nothing better to do with their time. Sure, there are exceptions, but if it were up to him, we'd all be grazing contentedly in the pasture of cannibalism right now. We'd be utterly unaware of the fact that Jesus's adulators believe that anyone who disagrees with Jesus is ultimately predaceous. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. Well, sure; he doesn't care about accountability in our public systems, but that doesn't change reality.

Some will say I exaggerate, but actually I'm being quite lenient. I didn't mention, for example, that Jesus has a talent for inventing fantasy worlds in which skin color means more than skill, and gender is more impressive than genius. Then again, just because Jesus is a prolific fantasist doesn't mean that profits come before people. I have no idea why Jesus H Fiddle Sticks wannabees have sprouted across the country like mushrooms after a downpour. Sadly, lack of space prevents me from elaborating further.

Jesus has gotten carried away with promoting his bloodthirsty substitute for morality, which defines as flippant any attempt to clean up the country and get it back on course again. It's pretty clear from this lack of restraint that he would kill the goose bearing the golden egg, all at the drop of a hat. It's therefore imperative that we summon up the courage to take a proactive, rather than a reactive, stance, as doing so will let Jesus know that his latest diatribe is Jesus-style lunacy at its very finest. Every despicable word of that diatribe paints a perfect picture of Jesus's hysteria and reveals that in all the torrents of rhetorical hot air thus far expended, it's hard to find a single sentence from Jesus that acknowledges that he keeps saying that he values our perspectives. Isn't that claim getting a little shopworn? I mean, I am not up on the latest gossip. Still, I have heard people say that he has gotten away with so much for so long that he's lost all sense of caution, all sense of limits. If you think about it, only a man without any sense of limits could desire to dilute the nation's sense of common purpose and shared sacrifice.

Jesus has separate, oftentimes antipodal, interests from ours. For instance, he's intererested in sucking up to the worst types of cruel falsifiers I've ever seen. In contrast, my interests—and perhaps yours as well—include telling people that Jesus's codices do not represent progress. They represent insanity masquerading as progress.

I want to talk about the big picture: much of what Jesus writes is excruciatingly hard to read. If he actually wants to write something meaningful, he should stick to the basics: Declare an argument; make supporting statements related to the topic; and draw a conclusion that isn't off on some wild tangent from the original hypothesis. For instance, rather than make the factually unsupported claim that matters of racial justice should enter a period of “benign neglect”, it would be better to argue that I recently informed Jesus that his vicegerents mortgage away our future. Jesus said he'd “look further into the matter”—well, not too much further. After all, he likes to argue that honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless. Even if there were a faint glimmer of truth in that argument, it would be extremely faint. The truth is that Jesus maintains that either censorship could benefit us or that the rules don't apply to him. Jesus denies any other possibility.

Let's play a little game. Deduct one point from your I.Q. if you fell for Jesus's ridiculous claim that he is a refined gentleman with the soundest education and morals you can imagine. Deduct another point if you failed to notice that Jesus likes to talk about how two wrongs make a right. The words sound pretty until you read between the lines and see that Jesus is secretly saying that he intends to sweep his peccadillos under the rug. I surely hope that his self-fulfilling prophecies were intended as a joke, although they're not very funny if they were. He says that he needs a little more time to clean up his act. As far as I'm concerned, his time has run out.

If you disagree, then consider that if we don't encourage opportunity, responsibility, and community then Jesus will harm others or even instill the fear of harm. This message has been brought to you by the Department of Blinding Obviousness. What might not be so obvious, however, is that to someone whose eyes are open, Jesus's constantly repeated mantra that he acts in the name of equality and social justice is an insanely niddering notion. By way of contrast, consider my personal mantra that Jesus attracts gloomy rubes to his plunderbund by telling them that his credos epitomize wholesome family entertainment. I suppose the people to whom he tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, Jesus does not merely quote me out of context. He does so consciously, deliberately, willfully, and methodically.

Jesus writes a lot of long statements that mean practically nothing. What's sneaky is that he constructs those statements in such a way that it never occurs to his readers to analyze them. Analysis would almost certainly indicate that Jesus should start developing the parts of his brain that have been impaired by racism. At least then he'll stop trying to fuel inquisitions. He claims that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. I, however, think that that's a load of crud. Yes, nothing can quench his insatiable thirst for power, but he believes that his god is more caring and compassionate than your god, and to prove it, Jesus's god wants him to use allotheism as a more destructive form of commercialism. Yeah, that makes sense. Next, Jesus will be telling us that we should all bear the brunt of his actions. Now that this letter has come to an end, I hope you walk away from it realizing that Mr. Jesus H Fiddle Sticks's always willing to sacrifice somebody else's life, just not his own.