(June 23, 2014 at 9:17 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: You don't need God to decide the human rights of the fetus. My arguments have no reliance upon that

Why are you evading the question?

I'll try another way:

1. Is a fetus-as-person a moral truth?
2. Who decides what moral truths are?

The question is a red-hearing. The question has nothing to do with my thesis but is an entirely different discussion altogether. Like I said, Im using the principle that killing an innocent human is wrong.

(June 23, 2014 at 9:17 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: You don't need God to decide the human rights of the fetus. My arguments have no reliance upon that

We don't need you to decide the "human" rights of the fetus either, and we have clearly explained from many different angles why your arguments are contrived, arbitrary, ignore relevant distinctions, and are therefore completely dismissible.

Chuck, I am my harshest critic believe me! The arguments thus far presented have not been adequate to defeat my thesis.

(June 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: The question is a red-hearing. The question has nothing to do with my thesis but is an entirely different discussion altogether. Like I said, Im using the principle that killing an innocent human is wrong.

I am using the principle that killing an innocent human being not wrong if you define innocent and human in an inappropriately and extravagantly overreaching way.

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(June 23, 2014 at 9:31 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: Chuck, I am my harshest critic believe me! The arguments thus far presented have not been adequate to defeat my thesis.

That's not for you to decide.

We don't think you even have a valid thesis.

(June 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: The question is a red-hearing. The question has nothing to do with my thesis but is an entirely different discussion altogether. Like I said, Im using the principle that killing an innocent human is wrong.

No it's not! You fuc--

Sorry. Trying to keep a cool head...

It is not a red herring. You have said multiple times in this thread that the killing of a human is a "moral truth". I am asking who decides the fuc---

Sorry.

WHO DECIDES WHAT MORAL TRUTHS ARE??? Why is this so hard for you to answer????

Thats not an argument chuck, Ive responded to your criticisms in earlier posts. Now all Im getting is (for the most part) personal attacks and false assertions.

Oh, and it's "red herring" not "red hearing".

Once again, Im moving from the assumption that objective morality exists. If we don't assume that, than genital mutilation, murder, ect. is morally permissible. Your question has nothing to do with the discussion. Im sorry..

(June 23, 2014 at 9:31 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: Chuck, I am my harshest critic believe me! The arguments thus far presented have not been adequate to defeat my thesis.

You won't even address my arguments so you're lying through your teeth.