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(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: did you know that disproving evolution, doesn't prove God?
Then why do you keep squawking about evolution?
Quote:after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
So then it also follows that if we have no proof of god, there isn't one. So... where's this god, that proves god?
Because I agree: when you can show me a god, you have proven god. But you and everyone who believes as you do has utterly failed to do so, which is why you're reduced to the pathetic, circular presuppositions that you really meant with the above quote, but that I refuse to dignify as a legitimate thought.
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(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
Are you sure it's God? Sounds an awful lot like Popeye.
(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
Are you sure it's God? Sounds an awful lot like Popeye.
July 8, 2014 at 9:24 am (This post was last modified: July 8, 2014 at 9:26 am by Jenny A.)
(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(July 2, 2014 at 9:12 am)Jenny A Wrote: Creationism, on the other hand is done by looking for arguments among scientists and declaring that any disagreements about the details of how evolutions occurred prove god created the universe.
did you know that disproving evolution, doesn't prove God? after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
Why yes I do know that disproving evolution doesn't prove god. There are names for that particular argument. It's called the argument from ignorance, or the god of the gaps. Creationists often invoke the god of the gaps. I'm so glad we can count on you not to do that.
But "I am who I am" is not proof of God either. Without a real god to say it, it's just a verse in the Bible. I myself, am who I am. But I doubt an out-of-town bank would take my take my check without a little more than that bald assertion let alone grant that I have supernatural powers. But you're certainly free to believe I'm god if you like, because "I am who I am."
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: did you know that disproving evolution, doesn't prove God? after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
No kidding. You know what else? Proving evolution doesn't disprove God. Everyone seems to understand that but you.
July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm (This post was last modified: July 8, 2014 at 8:41 pm by snowtracks.)
(July 8, 2014 at 3:44 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: did you know that disproving evolution, doesn't prove God?
Then why do you keep squawking about evolution?
Quote:after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
So then it also follows that if we have no proof of god, there isn't one. So... where's this god, that proves god?
Because I agree: when you can show me a god, you have proven god. But you and everyone who believes as you do has utterly failed to do so, which is why you're reduced to the pathetic, circular presuppositions that you really meant with the above quote, but that I refuse to dignify as a legitimate thought.
have mentioned this before: just having a discussion.
(July 8, 2014 at 10:06 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: did you know that disproving evolution, doesn't prove God? after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.
No kidding. You know what else? Proving evolution doesn't disprove God. Everyone seems to understand that but you.
God existence is self-evident. 3 sources: book of science, book of scripture, and conscience ('man made in the image' is internally recognized). just one source exclusively seals the deal. so everyone has that knowledge. however, there are certain ones that never developed a spiritual discernment so to disarm that knowledge, they attempt to make-up intellectual pretenses.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
July 8, 2014 at 9:22 pm (This post was last modified: July 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm by Jenny A.)
(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God existence is self-evident. 3 sources: book of science, book of scripture, and conscience ('man made in the image' is internally recognized). just one source exclusively seals the deal. so everyone has that knowledge.
Hardly. You need to look up the definition of self evident, "clearly true and requiring no proof or explanation." If god were self evident no proof but god itself would be required. Say sources and you've moved way beyond self-evident.
(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: However, there are certain ones that never developed a spiritual discernment so to disarm that knowledge, they attempt to make-up intellectual pretenses.
Understanding others is often an exercise of imagination. Can you imagine believing in an all powerful being that sees your every move and controls everything. Now imagine saying to yourself, well if I just rationalize really well it will go away. Can't do it? Neither can I.
It's reason, not rationalization. There is no god to fear.
I still "am who I am." Ready to believe I'm god yet? Thought not.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God existence is self-evident.
To whom?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God existence is self-evident. 3 sources: book of science, book of scripture, and conscience ('man made in the image' is internally recognized). just one source exclusively seals the deal. so everyone has that knowledge. however, there are certain ones that never developed a spiritual discernment so to disarm that knowledge, they attempt to make-up intellectual pretenses.
A pile of assertions, and the last desperate scrabble of a man bereft of arguments and hoping to just shrug off the need to demonstrate his claims are true.
Fuck off, moron.
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(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God existence is self-evident. 3 sources: book of science, book of scripture, and conscience ('man made in the image' is internally recognized). just one source exclusively seals the deal. so everyone has that knowledge. however, there are certain ones that never developed a spiritual discernment so to disarm that knowledge, they attempt to make-up intellectual pretenses.
The third of those can be easily reversed so that we end up with "god made in the image of man." That one makes more sense and is more logically consistent with what we find in both science and the Bible. From there it follows that "developing spiritual discernment" is another form of self-influence that isn't much different from the way we deify lots of things in our lives (important people, popular people, a country, a nationality, an ethnicity, a sports team, etc). When a person finds it difficult to defend his particular obsession, he goes on the offensive. For example, claiming that those who deny his delusion are using 'made-up intellectual pretenses' to try to 'disarm' the special insight that only a select and precious few happen to enjoy.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
