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God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
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God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
It's not difficult, with objectivity, to understand that the Adam and Eve story depicts the worst sort of injustice. Even taking it at face value, look what we have going on here.

God tells A&E not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They did so anyway. God hands down some really harsh punishment, because to disobey God is to commit evil.

The pair immediately exhibit this knowledge upon eating the fruit. They are fearful of God and ashamed of their nudity. It is extremely obvious that they could not have understood it was wrong to disobey God until after doing it. So, they are being punished for doing something that they literally could not have known was wrong. Possessing that knowledge is, indeed, the very 'crime' for which they were punished!

Of course, it wasn't just them. All humanity has to suffer because of this 'sin'. And, just for one harmless transgression that caused absolutely no damage or loss to God. It is a maximal punishment for a minimal crime, and people continue to suffer the punishment for a 'sin' only two people committed.

Why did God do this? He knew they lacked the capacity to understand the consequences of their actions. He knew that they had no real concept of the free will they were using, as they had never really used it in any meaningful way before that.

But, it's even worse than that. Why did God create a serpent who could talk? No other animal in the Bible is ever depicted as having innate powers of human speech. In fact, there is only one other talking animal in the Bible, Balaam's donkey. Balaam's donkey couldn't speak on its own. God spoke through it. There was the bush which spoke to Moses, but that was also God speaking through an object that has no such capacity on its own. Satan isn't named as the serpent at any point in the Bible. Who else could it be but God, enticing his ignorant victims into disobeying his own orders?

How can this be defended as 'justice'? It's cruel and wicked and not resembling justice in the slightest. It does, however, make a 'savior' necessary, doesn't it?

The very first story of the Bible is nothing but a diabolical con by an evil monster, and it proves the fallacy of 'biblical free will': God gave it to you and will damn you for ever using it.

As an aside, Adam is depicted as doing nothing to dissuade Eve from taking the fruit, joining her in the 'crime' without argument, and blames Eve for everything when God calls them out on it, therefore demonstrating that he is weak-willed, passive and a total coward. So, why does God make Eve subservient to him, instead of the other way around? He's clearly the less-qualified of the two to be the dominant member of the couple.
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RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
The other thing is that an unvarnished account of the Adam and Eve story goes like this: god has two kids who he conditions from birth never to question him, keeps them naked in a restricted area filled with dangerous animals, all so that he could watch them frolic around naked and fuck. When they become aware that constant nudity isn't normal they cover themselves with whatever's around, as their parent never provided them with clothes, and for not remaining naked against their consent, god gets mad, kicks them out of the house and curses them and all of their descendants to utter torture.

You don't even need to include the last part really, the actual set up is fucked beyond belief. If any human parent had done anything like this, they would be in jail for being a sick predator. Why does god get a pass?
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RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
Yeah a snake that could talk, right... I think it's shameful for the bible to depict snakes as evil animals, they are so lovely

You just showed, straight and simple, one of the many reasons atheists find religions senseless and contradicting, I would even go as far as saying the gods from all religions are sadistic and evil themselves, if they exist.
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Life would be sweet if we could learn so much from one little applebite.

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God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
God at the very least introduces the snake as a potential 'helper' to Adam...
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RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
It should also be noted that, lacking knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve could not have known that obeying God was good.

They were completely and unfairly screwed over.
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"God works in mysterious ways!"

Hehe, its not that hard to be stupid.
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RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
Since we know the origins are the word of man, not god, what do you think the original authors were trying to convey?
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RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
(July 21, 2014 at 1:00 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: The pair immediately exhibit this knowledge upon eating the fruit. They are fearful of God and ashamed of their nudity. It is extremely obvious that they could not have understood it was wrong to disobey God until after doing it.
That's silly. If they were completely unaware of the concept of right and wrong as you suggest, they would have just eaten the fruit without the serpent's urging. One can have intellectual knowledge of a concept without having experiential knowledge of it.

Quote:As an aside, Adam is depicted as doing nothing to dissuade Eve from taking the fruit, joining her in the 'crime' without argument, and blames Eve for everything when God calls them out on it, therefore demonstrating that he is weak-willed, passive and a total coward. So, why does God make Eve subservient to him, instead of the other way around? He's clearly the less-qualified of the two to be the dominant member of the couple.
It's not as if Eve stood up and took the blame. She blamed the serpent, then blamed God for putting the serpent in the garden. Sound familiar?
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RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
(July 23, 2014 at 2:47 pm)alpha male Wrote: That's silly. If they were completely unaware of the concept of right and wrong as you suggest, they would have just eaten the fruit without the serpent's urging.

Congrats, it looks like you've uncovered another contradiction in the Bible.

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