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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 1:48 am
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(July 27, 2014 at 10:40 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: (July 27, 2014 at 10:28 pm)Purplundy Wrote: Also, there is only one author or Star Wars. Ah, so when there are multiple authors, as in Star Trek, then the story is true? Actually, you seem so engrossed in your condescension that your not even trying to parry my points.
Star Trek is a single narrative that, I presume, is made by multiple authors. That's called collaboration.
But if four men from different backgrounds independently tried to convince me that Spock was the Christ, it would be realistic for their narratives to disagree on some points.
However, the initial caveat that you chose to ignore is that their disagreement alone does not prove the veracity of their stories.
What's funny though, is that this isn't even an issue with the Gospel writers because they weren't handing out leaflets of their work. They already were part of communities that not only had heard about Jesus, but believed that he was God incarnate. These were the people that their Gospels were addressed to.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 2:57 am
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Not if those 4 men, assuming there were four men, then had the services of an editor. Or centuries of editors. You assume that an address in a piece of literature is any less fictional than one of the characters? If you called 867-5309 would a girl named Jenny answer the phone?
Do you ever get the feeling, when reading the gospels, that life is entirely too convenient for the writers? That they're always encountering situations which just beg for their theological interpretations? It's almost as if they're actually responding to the un-remembered heresy of others...using "groups of fellow christians with a disagreement" etc; as a half-clever pretext for their screeds against rival cults. Ever get that feeling?
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 4:49 am
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Actually, early Christians were very much divided and set against each other. It proves nothing, but that would make sense if Jesus had lived and preached and everyone who believed in him had their own theological interpretation of his work that they would spread to others.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 8:28 am
(July 28, 2014 at 1:48 am)Purplundy Wrote: Actually, you seem so engrossed in your condescension that your not even trying to parry my points. It is not my intent to be insulting. I am expressing some amazement at the spurious and fallacious logic at work here to assume the story is true. The fact that the same story element crops up in different versions doesn't prove the truth of it.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Quote:While Moses did institute a 1/2 shekel tax,
There was no half-shekel coin in "moses'" day you dumb fuck. Coins were invented by the Greeks in Asia Minor in the 8th century. What you are trumpeting....stupidly as you usually do...is an anachronism. Anachronisms are very important. They show us all the mistakes in your fucking holy horseshit and allow us to treat it as the garbage it is.
Poor Drippy. Still as fucking dumb as ever.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm
(July 28, 2014 at 12:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: There was no half-shekel coin in "moses'" day you dumb fuck. Coins were invented by the Greeks in Asia Minor in the 8th century.
Curious how the Jesus freak explains that one away?
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 12:57 pm
By the time 'moses' was invented coins had been invented.
They can't ever face that reality so they will simply deny it.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 1:36 pm
(July 27, 2014 at 10:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: As the stories progress from the primitive 'mark' to the absurd 'john' the character of the "jews" becomes progressively more despicable. Jewish people had Jesus, the protagonist of the Gospels, killed, so that tends to make them look kind of villainous. I still don't get how that is supposed to extend to the many Jews who were followers of Jesus, or had never heard of him before.
Julius Caesar was killed by Roman senators. Does that mean that Shakespeare hated white people, Italians, senators, or republicans?
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 1:37 pm
(July 28, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: By the time 'moses' was invented coins had been invented.
They can't ever face that reality so they will simply deny it.
I was aware of some of the other anachronisms, but not that one. Thanks for illuminating me. Another detail to raise during my next conversation with a believer.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
July 28, 2014 at 1:42 pm
(July 28, 2014 at 8:28 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I am expressing some amazement at the spurious and fallacious logic at work here to assume the story is true. The fact that the same story element crops up in different versions doesn't prove the truth of it. I'm sorry. I've been arguing with you in so many places that I must have forgotten to re-state my caveat…
None of the details I am pointing out are proof that the Gospels are true. They simply happen to be things that you'd expect to see if the story was true, so they indicate the mere possibility that they could be true.
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