Fetuses are people. Unless it costs the church money

[popeyespappy]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue fetuses aren't people after being sued for wrongful death.

http://coloradoindependent.com/126808/in...ent-people

[Darkstar]

Laugh or vomit, laugh or vomit...well, vomiting is rather unpleasant, so I think I'll point and laugh (at the church).

Wait, there isn't a point and laugh smiley...

[Something completely different]

Spineless when faced with the law.

[Kayenneh]

And this is why Catholics dogma should not have anything to do with medicine. My nephews Mr. Blue and Mr. Green were delivered with c-section over two months before they were supposed to be born due to difficulties with my sisters pregnancy. Even though the risks are great, they should have tried to save the babies. Fucking hypocrites!

[Gabriel Syme]

See the other thread on this.

The hospital is not being hypocritical, rather its defence is pointing out that, given the law says an unborn child is not a person, it cannot issue a judgement on grounds that it is a person.

The law has to apply its principles consistently.

Its a typical "rag on the Catholics" media story - presenting an exceptionally twisted take on events, for people to affirm their existing prejudices.

[Something completely different]

See the other thread on this.

The hospital is not being hypocritical, rather its defence is pointing out that, given the law says an unborn child is not a person, it cannot issue a judgement on grounds that it is a person.

The law has to apply its principles consistently.

Its a typical "rag on the Catholics" media story - presenting an exceptionally twisted take on events, for people to affirm their existing prejudices.

Yet, the catholic church has the strict position that a fetus is a person.
It also rejects the laws which state that a fetus doesnt have the right to personhood.

Therefor they are hypocritical when arguing in a court that a fetus is not a person, since they contradict their own legal position which they have previously expressed.

[Gabriel Syme]

And this is why Catholics dogma should not have anything to do with medicine.

Catholic opinion on medical matters is always based on the very best knowledge available.

For example, Its opinion on unborn children and abortion is based on the Science of Human embryology and is faithful to what we have learned from it.

It is secular society which introduces nonsense like "its a human being, but not a person", to distort understanding and avoid the inconveniences of what we have learned.

Even though the risks are great, they should have tried to save the babies. Fucking hypocrites!

Normally when the "risks are great", wrt a womans life, critics of Catholicism urge abortion immediately. Only the woman matters they say, not the unborn child.

Yet here the criticism is for not doing enough for the unborn child, despite the great risks involved - the exact opposite argument.

These criticisms are mutually exclusive.

I think this demonstrates that many people start from the position that the Church is always wrong, regardless of what position it advances.

Cheers!
GS

[Something completely different]

And this is why Catholics dogma should not have anything to do with medicine.

Catholic opinion on medical matters is always based on the very best knowledge available.

It is not all about the handling of knowlege.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...78215.html

This is a report on a recent scandel here in Germany, where a catholic hospital refused to give a rape victim treatment, since that "could" potentialy lead to an abortion.

[Gabriel Syme]

Yet, the catholic church has the strict position that a fetus is a person.
It also rejects the laws which state that a fetus doesnt have the right to personhood.

Guten abend Deutsch-lander!

Yes, from the science of human embyrology we know an unborn child is a human being, created at the moment of conception.

At that moment, a life is created with 46 chromosomes, 23 each from his/her fathers sperm and mothers egg. A form of life with 46 chromosomes is called a human being

The only difference between a human being at that moment, and a human being aged 10, 40, 60 or 80, is time.

Therefor they are hypocritical when arguing in a court that a fetus is not a person, since they contradict their own legal position which they have previously expressed.

The hospital is not arguing any point, its just referring to what the law says: an unborn child is not a person.

The defence is based on the laws own statues, not Catholic doctrine. It is the legal definitions which count in a court-room, not what Catholic doctrine says.

There is no hypocrisy involved.

People are only saying there is, because they want that to be the case!

Take it easy!
GS

[Napoléon]

I think you need to brush up on your definition of the word hypocrisy Gabriel...