Oh and as an aside...


Take a long hard look at that and tell me if you think less that a "living dream" is the best way to describe the feeling of holding a cold, lifeless bundle which a few hours ago was you child.

Your god could prevent that apparently. As easily as he helped rev find a friend.

(July 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Just looking to see if there are any of you on the board who would like to join in with me in responding to replies to a new thread I am planning on posting this week, Argument #4 of 7. I already posted 3 and when I post I get a lot of responses and it is difficult to respond to them all.

Ummm... most of your responses are off-topic platitudes or non-sequiturs. How can you possibly find it difficult to respond?

And this just became the most depressing thread of my life.

(July 28, 2014 at 4:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I gained some Godly wisdom and advice.

Really? Calling something from god that isn't is blasphemy you know..

How did you come to determine that this new advice was from god?

It's beginning to sound as if you wouldn't know god if he crammed a cross up you butt.

Explain to us why the all powerful god has to hide behind your secrets, mysteries, and innuendos?

Why not post this on a Christian forum? I view you as a Poe anyway, but the only Christians you would get here are those who hardly believe, are closer to secularism in how their thought patterns, or people like Drich who I just don't know about.

If you really want a Christian response, go to a Christian forum.

(July 28, 2014 at 4:30 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(July 28, 2014 at 4:28 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Right. And?

Let me leave it at that.

Why don't you just admit you're afraid of getting the final mod bitch-slap.

(July 28, 2014 at 5:46 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Oh and as an aside...

Take a long hard look at that and tell me if you think less that a "living dream" is the best way to describe the feeling of holding a cold, lifeless bundle which a few hours ago was you child.

Your god could prevent that apparently. As easily as he helped rev find a friend.

So your saying living in a perfect world is a reality? A place where people are completely free of consenquence of their actions? I absolutly love arguements like yours for one simple reason. No matter what you say about God here, ultimately all of the cold heartedness is the direct result of the actions of man. Your poorly thought out arguement has to take the moral high ground against God. Or have you forgotten you do not believe in God? Which means all of anger intolerance and self righteousness in miss placed. You should be inconsolably hating one specific race of people and not God if that is your true belief.

If you do believe in God then you are bound to who what and why God says He is and does what He does. Which include placing us in a place where we are completely accountable for our actions. Meaning if one of us orders artillery strike on an area with children, then children will die. Action=consequence in your world or God's. Either way your hate and intolerance is misguided at best.

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(July 28, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Polaris Wrote: Why not post this on a Christian forum? I view you as a Poe anyway, but the only Christians you would get here are those who hardly believe, are closer to secularism in how their thought patterns, or people like Drich who I just don't know about.

If you really want a Christian response, go to a Christian forum.

What about me are you confused about?

(July 28, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 28, 2014 at 3:48 pm)PaulMaul Wrote: It's really sad that you need to come to an atheist forum to try starting a christian group.

While one does not need to be an atheist first, the term "to start a Christian group" would indicate that the group was not previously Christian.

Then it stands to reason that an atheist forum is a good place to start said group.

Are you trying to say in some backward way that we were all born christians?

(July 28, 2014 at 10:28 pm)PaulMaul Wrote:

(July 28, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: While one does not need to be an atheist first, the term "to start a Christian group" would indicate that the group was not previously Christian.

Then it stands to reason that an atheist forum is a good place to start said group.

Are you trying to say in some backward way that we were all born christians?

No.

No one is born a Christian.

If I were to start a mustang club, where would be the best place to start one? Where mustang clubs abound? Or where people are who talk about mustangs that are not apart of a club?

(July 28, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Drich Wrote: So your saying living in a perfect world is a reality? A place where people are completely free of consenquence of their actions?

I rather think there are a lot of civilian casualties in war, Drich. Would you like to tell me what "actions" they performed that led to their deaths?

I also love the part where you see a dead child and a grieving parent, and your first instinct is to blame the victim to save the reputation of your god. And to intimate that there is any action for which the appropriate consequence- not that I think you actually know enough about the man to now his "guilt," you're just speaking without thinking again- is the death of a child.

Quote:I absolutly love arguements like yours for one simple reason. No matter what you say about God here, ultimately all of the cold heartedness is the direct result of the actions of man.

... Isn't the moral thing to do to help people? Isn't it amazingly myopic to tar an entire species as unworthy of helping because of the actions of some? What even is this argument? "Oh, all these actions are due to man, therefore nobody needs to help." As though all humans are exactly the same? God knows those who are suffering the consequences of other people's actions in your theology, he could help the blameless, but you're saying he just keeps us all under the umbrella of "man" so he doesn't have to do anything? What the fuck is wrong with him?

If he's going to think like that, then I'm happy to be the moral superior of your god, because I actually help people, regardless of what other, unconnected men have done.

And I guess to be consistent, you never help anyone, right? Never donate to charity, never do anyone favors? Just stick to yourself, because all the bad things are the result of man's actions? And if that's untrue, then why on earth are you holding yourself to a higher standard than you do your god?

Quote: Your poorly thought out arguement has to take the moral high ground against God. Or have you forgotten you do not believe in God? Which means all of anger intolerance and self righteousness in miss placed. You should be inconsolably hating one specific race of people and not God if that is your true belief.

Good to see your reasoning is still languishing around pre school level. What even is this train of logic?

Quote:If you do believe in God then you are bound to who what and why God says He is and does what He does. Which include placing us in a place where we are completely accountable for our actions. Meaning if one of us orders artillery strike on an area with children, then children will die.

So despite all this "personal relationship" bullshit you guys spout, god really sees us as a single monolithic bloc entity, and not as individuals with free will at all?

Quote:Action=consequence in your world or God's. Either way your hate and intolerance is misguided at best.

So god thinks it's okay for children to be killed in a conflict they have no part in. Gotcha, you heartless god bothering sociopath.

Christian morality, everyone! "Fuck 'em all, they were born in a species!"