(May 28, 2010 at 3:58 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: One thing atheists such as myself takes a considerable amount of pride in is our knowledge of religions, far beyond what the average believer tends to immerse themselves in. Most people don't want to know anything more than what is taught at a church service. However if they would actually take the time to read the history of what they believe, they would most definately lose faith.

i totally agree with u and thats is part of the reason am here in an atheist forums discussing my beliefs and not in one of the religious forums but till now i didnt find someone who have the right knowledge about islam and i hope that in later discussions that will not b the case

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(May 28, 2010 at 10:42 am)leo-rcc Wrote:

(May 28, 2010 at 10:20 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: ok am still ignoring any reply that shows that someone is attacking and defending his position without thinking the only thing that will make me stay in this forums is that i felt that there is a lot of nice people(not all) who can argue as an adult and talk with evidence and those r the ppl am interested to hear their opinion and to know about their beliefs

Well you see there lies your problem. What you've shown are assertions, and some links to Adnan Oktar himself which you really should know better then to pass that off as evidence on a non Muslim forum. You want to discuss evidence, go right ahead and provide some, not some vague assertions of the Muslim equivalent of Ray Comfort. I know of several Muslims who don't even think his arguments are compelling.

I will do you the courtesy of not linking to debunking sites of your claim, because I have no doubt you've seen these before on other forums you've posted.

As for my beliefs, I believe I will get another chocolate milk and keep working on my website.

the links i provided wasnt for the people who discovered those facts i dont even know this ppl they are just websites that have what am claiming in english translation as the muslim scholars websites are in arabic. so am not posting websites of ppl i believe or follow they just put those information in an organised way and in english

mo3taz3nbar Wrote:i totally agree with u and thats is part of the reason am here in an atheist forums discussing my beliefs and not in one of the religious forums but till now i didnt find someone who have the right knowledge about islam and i hope that in later discussions that will not b the case

Actually... plenty of people know entirely different things regarding Islam. One's knowledge of a matter is not necessarily truth of a matter.

Quote:the links i provided wasnt for the people who discovered those facts i dont even know this ppl they are just websites that have what am claiming in english translation as the muslim scholars websites are in arabic. so am not posting websites of ppl i believe or follow they just put those information in an organised way and in english

Perhaps you should do what most of us do most the time: read something... and if you like it: share it. Don't share that which you don't first know

Apparently muslims think 'The purpose of life is to worship God.'

So Allah made us all as him worshipping machines.

What an arsehole.

You may think so... but i think it is rather natural of him to do so.

(May 29, 2010 at 5:45 am)Saerules Wrote: You may think so... but i think it is rather natural of him to do so.

What you talkin 'bout Sae

(May 27, 2010 at 7:35 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: First of all I want to show respect in the way you think as most of the people in the world are following the religion of their parents and defending it blindly without even thinking.

You are the end result of said religious indoctrination my preachy friend. The Qur'an is but one book, you need to read others in order to expand your world view and truly start off your enquiry into reality. With the abundance of information readily available thanks to today's public communication networks no one has any valid excuse to be ignorant anymore.

(May 28, 2010 at 7:43 am)Ace Wrote:

Poor toilet. It wasn't designed to take all that crap at once.

(May 28, 2010 at 7:43 am)Ace Wrote:

Poor toilet. It wasn't designed to take all that crap at once.
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Very clean though!

Cilit Bang?

(May 29, 2010 at 5:59 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 29, 2010 at 5:45 am)Saerules Wrote: You may think so... but i think it is rather natural of him to do so.

What you talkin 'bout Sae

For 'Allah' to make us all worshiping machines. Although, i find he has failed somewhat if that was indeed his intention. More likely: he made us for entertainment (assuming he exists for sake of argument).

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(May 28, 2010 at 7:43 am)Ace Wrote:

You know... it looks photoshopped to me. look: no effect on the water, and an awkward position in the toilet. I'm sure if you put 'On the Origin of Species' in there, you would have similar difficulty flushing it.

Quote:Perhaps you should do what most of us do most the time: read something... and if you like it: share it. Don't share that which you don't first know

i meant i dont know about the owners of the websites.its that easy i read something in the Quran i search wether these facts are true or not then i write it here and search for a website that make it easier for u to look at.if u want i can post the websites that contains these scientific fact but i think it is easy for anyone to type those fact on google

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(May 29, 2010 at 5:42 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Apparently muslims think 'The purpose of life is to worship God.'

So Allah made us all as him worshipping machines.

What an arsehole.

not true and not the subject

(May 28, 2010 at 10:20 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: ok am still ignoring any reply that shows that someone is attacking and defending his position without thinking the only thing that will make me stay in this forums is that i felt that there is a lot of nice people(not all) who can argue as an adult and talk with evidence and those r the ppl am interested to hear their opinion and to know about their beliefs

What a pathetic attitude. Exactly how do you objectively tell when someone is attacking / defending a position "without thinking"? I mean, technically speaking there is quite a lot of thought going on when crafting any kind of response, so your policy for ignoring comments is based on the comments you just don't want to address.

Here's a tip for you. How about you go and read up on how a "discussion" works? Contrary to your discussions with God, discussions with humans aren't one-way.